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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 7:25:09 GMT -5
I am so tired of trying to sort through the confusion created by the Protestant-Novus Ordo. I keep reading that "everyone" is a child of God. (I thought you had to be in a "state of Grace to be a child of God)?? That if someone sins against you that you are to "just forgive them" even if they won't apologize or admit their wrongdoing. (God doesn't "just" forgive unless I confess my sins and do penance)!! Will somebody please clarify for me the true Catholic teaching on these subjects??
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Post by micah1199 on Apr 29, 2017 8:59:21 GMT -5
Some wicked sinners need correction. Do we voluntarily place ourselves in the path of an unrepentant rapist or murderer? How would it be different for someone else who is hurting you in other ways? You can forgive the person and stay away from them because their behavior is wicked. You are correct. IF we are in a state of mortal sin, then we are a child of the devil and his slave. Only those in a state of grace are children of God.
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Post by micah1199 on Apr 29, 2017 9:00:11 GMT -5
Do I invite a thief in my house? We have to use are brain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 12:31:38 GMT -5
Some wicked sinners need correction. Do we voluntarily place ourselves in the path of an unrepentant rapist or murderer? How would it be different for someone else who is hurting you in other ways? You can forgive the person and stay away from them because their behavior is wicked. You are correct. IF we are in a state of mortal sin, then we are a child of the devil and his slave. Only those in a state of grace are children of God. How is one supposed to "forgive" someone who has committed a grave sin to you if they will NOT acknowledge the offense or make full restitution?? Example: stealing large sums of money.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Apr 29, 2017 15:16:58 GMT -5
Forgivness is simply removing the temptation for vengence...simply saying this soul is in Gods hands...not mine.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 18:27:21 GMT -5
Forgivness is simply removing the temptation for vengence...simply saying this soul is in Gods hands...not mine. Is "vengence" repaying like for like? Such as since "you stole from me, therefore, I will steal from you", "you lied about me, therefore, I will lie about you"? Do you just become "silent" regarding what the thief did, or do you speak out and warn others to beware so they won't become a victim of the thief also (or is speaking out against the thief considered vengence?).
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Apr 29, 2017 18:52:28 GMT -5
No..no...its like...you stole from me...I hope you rot in hell...you lied to me I hope you get fired...forgivness is simply refusing to judge the person.As in laying a final say. We show mercy by leaving that person to God to judge. That is not to say you have to have anything to do with the person. Injustice is a fact of life that even the King of Justice was subjected to.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2017 19:31:07 GMT -5
Another subject which causes great confusion originating in the Protestant-Novus Ordo is on the subject of predestination. I have read various articles published by the Novus Ordo regarding predestination and it sounds like they have adopted the Protestant's garbage on the subject. Could someone tell me what the real Catholic belief is on predestination?
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 30, 2017 15:57:09 GMT -5
Veronica, I just posted an excellent explanation of the doctrine on predestination. What makes this explanation so useful is that it also covers the errors against this doctrine, which helps one to grasp the difference between the correct doctrine and the deviations. It can be found HERE
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 17:41:27 GMT -5
Veronica, I just posted an excellent explanation of the doctrine on predestination. What makes this explanation so useful is that it also covers the errors against this doctrine, which helps one to grasp the difference between the correct doctrine and the deviations. It can be found HEREPacelli - Thanks for the explanation on predestination!!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 9:14:02 GMT -5
Can somebody give me the true Catholic definition of "scrupulous"? How would someone know if they were being "scrupulous"??
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 1, 2017 11:00:28 GMT -5
Do you doubt Gods forgivness after confession and penance?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 13:57:24 GMT -5
Do you doubt Gods forgivness after confession and penance? Thanks!!
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 14:02:26 GMT -5
Another error I have been encountering coming from the Protestant/Novus Ordites is the "no drinking alcohol and no using tobacco in any way". Sounds like more Protestant belief than Catholic to me. Can someone clarify. Thanks.
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Post by micah1199 on May 1, 2017 19:30:26 GMT -5
I just has wine with dinner. That would be my answer to that nonsense. 😴😀
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