Latest Sedevacantist bishop/priests statistics Feb 24, 2019 16:44:55 GMT -5
Post by Pacelli on Feb 24, 2019 16:44:55 GMT -5
Only the last ordination/consecration would need to be posted, for if a priest/bishop submitted to a conditional ordination/consecration, they must believe their original orders to be questionable. If this is not the case, then they commit sacrilege.
And if a priest was ordained NO without a conditional ordination then laicised by the same NO, the faithful should know.
No opinion in the list, only facts so the faithful have somewhere to start to investigate further.
As good as Catholic Candle's priest list is, it is very subective without enough data for a person to make an informed decision.
I agree with you that logically, the last conditional ordination should be the only one to mention, as there must have been a doubt in order for there to be a conditional ordination in the first place. If we were living in normal times, this would be the end of it. In our times, however, as we lack any real governance of the Church in the Roman rite, the laity have been put in the strange position of having to judge whether or not priests are validly ordained, as they must make such a judgment, since the Church through its hierarchical bishops have not sent such priests, and the matter has to be settled in each individual Catholic’s conscience prior to approaching any traditional priest for the sacraments.
Since there is disagreement about which lines are certainly valid and which are not, the laity may not agree with the priest that conditional ordination was necessary, at least if the reason is the doubt of validity of a particular lineage, as they may be convinced that one such lineage is valid, others are not, or all are valid, or all invalid. I will however add lineage to the list, I will just have to figure out the best way to do it.
I have thought about your point about the laicization by the Novus Ordo, and I will include it. Thank you for arguing your point, you convinced me that it has some value.
I do have a problem with the Catholic Candle groups obvious bias and even open hostility towards sedevacantists. I was hesitant to even link their list for that reason, but I believed with a disclaimer above the link, that Catholics would at least be warned of their views prior to going to their page. They have done an immense amount of research and much of it is factual, such as who ordained which priest and when. Many of the priests they have information on are SSPX so their list is very relevant as SSPX uses men with Paul VI rite orders in their chapels and Catholics need a way to find out if about the holy orders of a new priest or visiting priest.
God bless you as well.