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Post by micah1199 on Jun 21, 2017 8:31:26 GMT -5
I heard Bishop Taylor was a feeneyite. Would you please confirm or deny this Zebrax? If he is in fact a follow of Feeney, it would be better for NC tradc to stay far away.
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 21, 2017 14:47:42 GMT -5
So what is the official status of all these "Priests"? None of the bishops and priests above have an official status, with the exception of Fr. Leo Carley and Fr. Louis Campbell, who were both trained by and commissioned by the Church.
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Post by William Pius Robert Winslow on Jun 28, 2017 23:53:41 GMT -5
I have put together a list of all bishops and priests who are part of sedevacantist groups and also all independent bishops and priests in the US and Canada. I think the list is at least close to accurate and up to date. If anyone notices that I forgot a priest or if a priest belongs in a different category, let me know and I will fix it. If you don't want your name used, just PM me, and it will be kept confidential. FYI: by naming these bishops and priests, I am giving the readers of this forum raw data, I am not saying that all of these men are properly ordained as priests or for bishops that they are truly consecrated as bishops. In regards to many of these bishops and priests, there is little publicly known about them, or where their orders come from. Bp. Sanborn's group:Bp. Donald Sanborn Fr. Nicolás E. Desposito Fr. Joseph Selway Fr. Oscar Saavedra Fr. Germán Fliess Fr. Philip Eldracher Fr. Federico Palma Bp. Dolan's group:Bp. Daniel Dolan Fr. Anthony Cekada Fr. Julian Larrabee Fr. Charles McGuire Fr. Stephen McKenna Fr. Vili Lehtoranta Fr. Carlos Ercoli St. Louis, King of France group:Fr. Emilio Fattore Fr. Mauricio Zarate Company of Jesus and Mary (Bp. Morello's Group)Bp. Andres Morello Fr. Adan Rodriguez Barbosa Willing Shepherds group:Fr. Anthony Paul Quigley, OP Syon AbbeyDom Francis Edward, Abbot Fr. Francis Nugent Society of the Virgin Mary (SVM), (Bishop Taylor's group)Fr. W. Craig Hosch SVM Bp. Patrick Taylor Fr. William Rauh Fr. Matthias Heppeland Fr. Christopher Spray Priestly Society Christ the king, SSCR, (Bishop Sebastian's group)Bp. Thomas Sebastian, Fr. A Marie, OSB, SSCR Fr. Matthew Howard SSCR Independent & Sedevacantist Fr. Thomas Zapp Fr. Eugene Berry Fr. Daniel Daniel Ahern Bp. Robert Neville Fr. Joseph Collins (Lefebvre) Fr. Roberto Mardones (Carmona) Fr. M.E. Morrison Bp. Paul Petko Fr. Bernard OFM Fr. Joseph OFM Fr. Peter Lemay Fr. Joseph Bachtiger Fr. Leo Carley Fr. Bernard G. Hall Bp. Markus Ramolla Fr. Louis Campbell Fr. James Thielen Fr. Kevin Vaillencourt (no longer functioning as priest) Independent (not sure if sedevacantist)Fr. Bernard Champagne Fr. Jesé Milagrosa Fr. John Evangelista Fr. Gabriel Tetherow Bp. M. Bruno, OFM Conv Fr. Anselm Marie O.S.B. Fr. Anton Thai Trinh Fr. Joseph Noonan, OFM Fr. Ted Bradley Fr. Gerald Kasik Fr. Bernard Colussy, OFM Fr. M. Gabriel Ward Bp. Neal Webster ( Feeneyite) Fr. Matthew Howard Fr. Courtney Krier Fr. James Dolan Fr. James Wright Fr. Marshal Roberts Fr. Gregory Safreed Bp. William H. Greene, OSA Fr. Francis Miller, OFM Fr. Ronald Brown Fr. Anthony Leonardo Fr. George McLaughlin, CSSp Fr. Chester Przybl Fr. Samuel Waters Fr. Ronald Ringrose Fr. Juan Ortiz Fr. Louis Montelogno Fr. R. Pensenstadler Fr. Gregory Safreed Fr. Raymond Olinger Fr. Emilio Fattore Fr. Gavin Bitzer Fr. Jerome Verdick Fr. Neville Monteiro Bp. Frank Slupski Fr. M. Pierre SBbS Fr. Morel Fr. M. Eugene Fr. Morgan Fr. Terence Finegan Fr. Lawrence Palma Fr. Ray Steichen SDB Fr. Patrick Perez Fr. Ted Bradley Fr. Pierre Roy Fr. Peter Fortin Fr. Jason Richardson Fr. James Kosek Fr. Bernard Diamond Fr. Paul Andrade Fr. John Hogan Indpendent - Not Sedevacantist Bp. Terrence Fulham Fr. Joseph Pfieffer Fr. David Hewko Fr. Richard Voigt Fr. P Girourd Bp. Zendejas CMRI Bp. Mark Pivarunas Fr. Ephrem Cordova Fr. Gregory Drahman Fr. Gerard McKee Fr. Dominic Radecki Fr. Benedict Hughes Fr. Bernard Welp Fr. Francisco Radecki Fr. Brendan Hughes Fr. Nino Molina Fr. Gabriel Lavery Fr. James McGilloway Fr. Casimir Puskorius Fr. Anthony Short Work With CMRI Fr. Michael Oswalt Fr. Louis Jurado Fr. Leon Speroni, OFM Cap. Fr. Michael Sautner, OSB Fr. John Trough Fr. Michael J. Anaya Fr. Carlos Borja Fr. Robert Letourneau Fr. Christopher Gronenthal Fr. Julian Gilchrist SSPVBp. Kelly Bp. Santay Fr. Jenkins Fr. Mroczka Fr. Skierka (Sr.) Fr. Greenwell Fr. Baumberger Fr. Skierka (Jr.) Fr. Carroll Fr. Selway Fr. Newman Fr. Curatolo (sp?) Fr. Veitkas Fr. Krug Rev. Fonz (sp?) (...in a couple months) Father Michael Oswalt is only working with CMRI? I thought he is a member of them. I am pretty sure there is an SSPX Priest called Father Peter Fortin. Maybe the above one just another one with the same name. Is SSCR legitimate?
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Post by carloscamejo on Jun 29, 2017 0:12:49 GMT -5
There seems to be a group of bishops consecrated through the line of the schismatic Brazilian bishop Carlos Duarte-Costa, founder of the ICAB (Apostolic Catholic Church of Brazil in English), which would sadly extend to their priests.
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Post by William Pius Robert Winslow on Jun 29, 2017 0:34:08 GMT -5
There seems to be a group of bishops consecrated through the line of the schismatic Brazilian bishop Carlos Duarte-Costa, founder of the ICAB (Apostolic Catholic Church of Brazil in English), which would sadly extend to their priests. Which group are you referring to?
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Post by Clotilde on Jun 29, 2017 7:02:50 GMT -5
There seems to be a group of bishops consecrated through the line of the schismatic Brazilian bishop Carlos Duarte-Costa, founder of the ICAB (Apostolic Catholic Church of Brazil in English), which would sadly extend to their priests. I did research on this years ago because I was entangled in a mess, you are correct. My findings were that there are quite a few on this list with likely invalid orders. Try telling that to anyone who has no other options or one who has invested their time and money in a chapel and they won't hear it.
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 29, 2017 13:30:00 GMT -5
WPRW wrote:
Many of the priests who are with CMRI are not actually members of CMRI. They work alongside the CMRI priests and may look like CMRI priests but are actually secular priests who have committed themselves to working with the CMRI organization.
WPRW wrote:
I didn't include SSPX, but that would be a good thread to make a list of their priests. The SSPX has around 500 worldwide, maybe even more, as they keep ordaining all over the world. I am not sure how many they have in the US.
WPRW wrote:
Every Catholic who approaches any of these groups or independent priests should do due diligence about checking into their orders, their background, their training, and many other matters. You don't want to get yourself involved with a mess.
It's always important to remember that the hierarchy of the Church is not overseeing the training of the priests, is not judging their fitness, is not commissioning their ordinations, and is not governing them. This situation poses grave risks for laypeople, and makes us the judge of these things and whether we wish to invoke our rights under canons 2261 and 2284.
Now, with all that in mind, I will tell you to be very careful about the SSCR. Here is the ordination and consecration information for Thomas Sebastian, the bishop of the SSCR:
For myself, I would have nothing to do with this group. I will not go to bishops or priests who obtain their orders outside of the Church.
While many of these men may mean well, and I am not making a judgment about their Faith, I do not trust Holy orders that come from schismatic sects. I will await a decision on them from the Holy See.
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Post by myrnam on Jun 29, 2017 15:38:41 GMT -5
The way it was explained to me, the Secular priest of CMRI keep their surnames but the religious CMRI priest drop their surnames and take a religious name of a Saint. The religious priest take a vow of poverty, while the secular priests do not, I believe these are a few of several differences another is it takes longer for a CMRI priest before he is ordained.
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Post by William Pius Robert Winslow on Jun 29, 2017 16:11:12 GMT -5
The way it was explained to me, the Secular priest of CMRI keep their surnames but the religious CMRI priest drop their surnames and take a religious name of a Saint. The religious priest take a vow of poverty, while the secular priests do not, I believe these are a few of several differences another is it takes longer for a CMRI priest before he is ordained. Just curious though, is there such a concept "working with a religious order (like Dominican, Franciscan, Jesuit, etc) but not a member of the order" in Canon Law? Not trying to start a fight or argument, but just a quick question.
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Post by myrnam on Jun 29, 2017 17:45:41 GMT -5
CMRI is its own religious order known as the Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculatae, know that I am not qualified to speak for the group. I can tell you what I have observed; Bishop Pivarunas is very charitable in the sense that he doesn't speak unkindly of other Traditional groups if those you mentioned are Traditional. I would be very surprised to see him "working" with a novus ordo group, with the exception of perhaps speaking to them if they wanted to hear his conclusions on this falling away or watering down of the Faith, whatever one prefers to describe it as such.
I have been connected with CMRI now for over 30 years and honestly, this is one of the points I admire about Bishop Pivarunas, no matter what others say about CMRI's validly or ... he just ignores them and goes about his business of educating anyone who asks question. I am sure he has an opinion and no doubt, (I am assuming) he voices it, at the private priestly meetings. Not to us the laity, even if we ask him which I have done, questions like; can we attend an SSPX Mass when traveling. He simple says if you feel it is not a danger to your faith, yes.
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Post by FrCJSpray on Jul 3, 2017 16:34:33 GMT -5
I heard Bishop Taylor was a feeneyite. Would you please confirm or deny this Zebrax? If he is in fact a follow of Feeney, it would be better for NC tradc to stay far away. I can assure you that Bishop Taylor is not a Feeneyite.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Jul 3, 2017 18:09:29 GMT -5
I heard Bishop Taylor was a feeneyite. Would you please confirm or deny this Zebrax? If he is in fact a follow of Feeney, it would be better for NC tradc to stay far away. I can assure you that Bishop Taylor is not a Feeneyite. Hello, What is Bp. Taylor's first name?
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Post by FrCJSpray on Jul 3, 2017 19:28:49 GMT -5
I can assure you that Bishop Taylor is not a Feeneyite. Hello, What is Bp. Taylor's first name? Patrick
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Post by myrnam on Jul 4, 2017 19:09:21 GMT -5
The other day while I was thinking about " feeneyites" and their denial to accept BOD/BOB, a thought came to my mind. Does this make sense to anyone here? It seems to be that those who deny God's mercy during the times that BOD would apply are really saying that sin is greater than the mercy of God.
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Post by myrnam on Jul 4, 2017 19:12:05 GMT -5
The way it was explained to me, the Secular priest of CMRI keep their surnames but the religious CMRI priest drop their surnames and take a religious name of a Saint. The religious priest take a vow of poverty, while the secular priests do not, I believe these are a few of several differences another is it takes longer for a CMRI priest before he is ordained. Just curious though, is there such a concept "working with a religious order (like Dominican, Franciscan, Jesuit, etc) but not a member of the order" in Canon Law? Not trying to start a fight or argument, but just a quick question.
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