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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 18:58:18 GMT -5
I keep running across varying heated discussions regarding the una cum issue. I was curious as to what was done regarding the una cum in the Great Western Schism when there were multiple claimants to the Papacy?? Evidently the Masses that were not said with the true Pope's name inserted in the Mass were not considered invalid, or a sin? Exactly as you surmise. There were no penalties for the mistake of the priest regarding the claimant. Clotilde - Thanks for the confirmation!
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 30, 2017 19:33:03 GMT -5
Btw that was supposed to ne uptick not prick...lol
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 19:48:02 GMT -5
Btw that was supposed to ne uptick not prick...lol Voxx - I was wondering what you were trying to say!!! Could somebody explain to me how this una cum issue got to be the "be all and end all" for some Traditionalists? It just doesn't make sense to me - I am trying to understand why there is such controversy.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 30, 2017 19:52:02 GMT -5
Certain Bishops and tradgroups are involved...and some are feeling defensive about chips and salsas TOFP...the coming capitulation of sspx...some are simply loosing their #### because frank is going full heretic.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 20:15:21 GMT -5
It seems to me that their are certain Trad groups trying to make a Mass said with the una cum as a "sin" to attend. They are making their own rules like the Protestants. They seem to be creating hysteria and confusion among people and pitting one group against another. Just my opinion and my 2 cents.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 30, 2017 20:44:29 GMT -5
They are engaging in mass hysterical scrupilosity.
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Post by Clotilde on May 30, 2017 20:48:28 GMT -5
Btw that was supposed to ne uptick not prick...lol Voxx - I was wondering what you were trying to say!!! Could somebody explain to me how this una cum issue got to be the "be all and end all" for some Traditionalists? It just doesn't make sense to me - I am trying to understand why there is such controversy. Loyalties, turf wars, politics, feelings, control... just to name a few of the reasons. In the traditionalist world many people have a mental checklist of all the things they want you to do, say, and believe. They run through the checklist and if you miss a mark, they will harass, humiliate, annoy, and shun you, unless you are useful to them. If you don't believe me, try spending time with your typical Trudy McTrad and they will ask you a plethora of questions about where you stand on everything instead of just offering a cup of coffee and a chair.
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Post by Clotilde on May 30, 2017 20:51:23 GMT -5
It seems to me that their are certain Trad groups trying to make a Mass said with the una cum as a "sin" to attend. They are making their own rules like the Protestants. They seem to be creating hysteria and confusion among people and pitting one group against another. Just my opinion and my 2 cents. You have good sense. Unless someone can prove that it is a sin beyond any doubt, it isn't a sin. I can't stand Bergoglio as much as the next guy but I still have to keep my feelings about him from clouding my judgement or making accusations about the morality of others.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 20:58:35 GMT -5
The are engaging in mass hysterical scrupilosity. "Mass hysterical scrupilosity", defines it well!! What is the driving force behind this "mass hysterical scrupilosity"??
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 21:02:13 GMT -5
Voxx - I was wondering what you were trying to say!!! Could somebody explain to me how this una cum issue got to be the "be all and end all" for some Traditionalists? It just doesn't make sense to me - I am trying to understand why there is such controversy. Loyalties, turf wars, politics, feelings, control... just to name a few of the reasons. In the traditionalist world many people have a mental checklist of all the things they want you to do, say, and believe. They run through the checklist and if you miss a mark, they will harass, humiliate, annoy, and shun you, unless you are useful to them. If you don't believe me, try spending time with your typical Trudy McTrad and they will ask you a plethora of questions about where you stand on everything instead of just offering a cup of coffee and a chair. I don't have any Trad friends where I live. However, I believe what you are saying. They just sound like some Protestants I do know!
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Post by Clotilde on May 30, 2017 21:15:26 GMT -5
Loyalties, turf wars, politics, feelings, control... just to name a few of the reasons. In the traditionalist world many people have a mental checklist of all the things they want you to do, say, and believe. They run through the checklist and if you miss a mark, they will harass, humiliate, annoy, and shun you, unless you are useful to them. If you don't believe me, try spending time with your typical Trudy McTrad and they will ask you a plethora of questions about where you stand on everything instead of just offering a cup of coffee and a chair. I don't have any Trad friends where I live. However, I believe what you are saying. They just sound like some Protestants I do know! At my first sitdown in a traditional chapel after mass, some of the ladies invited me to sit with them. Question after question, I will never forget one of the ladies asking my name. She then told me I didn't have a Catholic name. (I do, actually, she just wasn't linguistically savvy). It was very shocking and upsetting to her, and I don't have an outlandish name. But, there we were, she was worried about my name, something I had no control over and did not involve her. Obviously this is less grave than the una cum accusations but you get the picture. I am thankful that I have thick skin because it did not bother me but it could have turned me off to going there for mass. In the end, it turned out to be a toxic mass center but what it taught me was how to identify a bad situation and walk away.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 21:30:14 GMT -5
I don't have any Trad friends where I live. However, I believe what you are saying. They just sound like some Protestants I do know! At my first sitdown in a traditional chapel after mass, some of the ladies invited me to sit with them. Question after question, I will never forget one of the ladies asking my name. She then told me I didn't have a Catholic name. (I do, actually, she just wasn't linguistically savvy). It was very shocking and upsetting to her, and I don't have an outlandish name. But, there we were, she was worried about my name, something I had no control over and did not involve her. Obviously this is less grave rave than the una cum accusations but you get the picture. I am thankful that I have thick skin because it did not bother me but it could have turned me off to going there for mass. In the end, it turned out to be a toxic mass center but what it taught me was how to identify a bad situation and walk away. As far as I can tell some Trads seem out to really impress people that they are Catholic and have a monopoly on being the only Catholics.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2017 21:37:55 GMT -5
It seems to me that their are certain Trad groups trying to make a Mass said with the una cum as a "sin" to attend. They are making their own rules like the Protestants. They seem to be creating hysteria and confusion among people and pitting one group against another. Just my opinion and my 2 cents. You have good sense. Unless someone can prove that it is a sin beyond any doubt, it isn't a sin. I can't stand Bergoglio as much as the next guy but I still have to keep my feelings about him from clouding my judgement or making accusations about the morality of others. It seems to me that a lot of people are "going off the rails" in an attempt to prove they are Catholic. Avoiding extremes keeps one on the straight and narrow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 6:54:15 GMT -5
Voxx - I was wondering what you were trying to say!!! Could somebody explain to me how this una cum issue got to be the "be all and end all" for some Traditionalists? It just doesn't make sense to me - I am trying to understand why there is such controversy. Loyalties, turf wars, politics, feelings, control... just to name a few of the reasons. In the traditionalist world many people have a mental checklist of all the things they want you to do, say, and believe. They run through the checklist and if you miss a mark, they will harass, humiliate, annoy, and shun you, unless you are useful to them. If you don't believe me, try spending time with your typical Trudy McTrad and they will ask you a plethora of questions about where you stand on everything instead of just offering a cup of coffee and a chair. Maybe I shouldn't say this - but behavior like this coming from "Trad" people sounds cultish to me instead of Catholic. (Just my opinion).
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jun 1, 2017 11:05:19 GMT -5
You have no Idea...Im up to my neck on fb with sede who came right out and said he prefers sede as a descriptor instead of Catholic!
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