Post by Pacelli on Nov 7, 2017 15:19:27 GMT -5
Somone has asked me to comment on the following assertion made by our forum member Wenceslav's characterization (I would say mischaracterization) of what I believe made on another Forum:
Wenceslav wrote:
I take great issue with Wenceslavs unfounded assertions that are boldfaced above.
1. I have never held, nor do I today that "we should avoid the SSPX, CMRI and all “Traditional Catholic “ groups." I have publicly stated the opposite of his assertion, and have urged Catholics to go to mass where they can find valid priests and its a safe place to go.
This is one place where I have said what I have asserted above: tradcath.proboards.com/thread/850/mass-crisis
2. I have not said that Catholics can only go to eastern rites, as I have not just said to go carelessly to any eastern rite Church, I have repeatedly emphasized that not all are safe, that some priests are heretics, some may be suspected of heresy, and some are Catholic. I have urged Catholics to investigate the Church and the priests, online and in person, and to use good judgment
I have written this disclaimer here about attendance at eastern rite parishes:
tradcath.proboards.com/thread/742/disclaimer-advice-regarding-eastern-parishes
Wenceslav, I would ask you to to support your assertions about me, (or retract,) by demonstrating in my words:
1. That I have said "we should avoid the SSPX, CMRI and all “Traditional Catholic groups."
2. That I have said Catholics can only go to eastern rite churches.
3. That I have urged Catholics to go to any eastern rite Churches without checking them out as to the parish and priest, which was at least implied by your assertion, as you left out my words of caution in your characterization of my beliefs, that I had have repeatedly stated about such situations.
I can also save you the time, your assertions about me are wrong, and my words say the opposite of #1 and #2, and stand against the implication made by you about myself in #3. I have given you links above to what I believe, I would ask you to read these in light of your statements.
Wenceslav wrote:
Pacelli contends that such bishops (so called “Sacramental Bishops”) do not continue the apostolic succession, so it does not solve our biggest problem, which is the continuation of the apostolic succession. He also contends that the “Sacramental Bishop” is a novelty, and hence his opinion that we should avoid the SSPX, CMRI and all “Traditional Catholic “ groups. Therefore his solution is to attend the Eastern Rite Divine Liturgy with a validly ordained priest, canonically appointed, by a Bishop with Apostostolic Succession. There are a myriad of problems with that solution including that the Ukrainian Church (by far the largest) is infected with Modernism and all of it’s related Novus Ordo trappings like ecumenism, communicatio in sacris etc down to their last Bishop and certainly many priests. (I would personally say majority of priests and the problem will get worse as time goes by). Nor are they (Eastern Rite Bishops) willing to fix or even recognize that there is a problem.
I take great issue with Wenceslavs unfounded assertions that are boldfaced above.
1. I have never held, nor do I today that "we should avoid the SSPX, CMRI and all “Traditional Catholic “ groups." I have publicly stated the opposite of his assertion, and have urged Catholics to go to mass where they can find valid priests and its a safe place to go.
This is one place where I have said what I have asserted above: tradcath.proboards.com/thread/850/mass-crisis
2. I have not said that Catholics can only go to eastern rites, as I have not just said to go carelessly to any eastern rite Church, I have repeatedly emphasized that not all are safe, that some priests are heretics, some may be suspected of heresy, and some are Catholic. I have urged Catholics to investigate the Church and the priests, online and in person, and to use good judgment
I have written this disclaimer here about attendance at eastern rite parishes:
tradcath.proboards.com/thread/742/disclaimer-advice-regarding-eastern-parishes
Wenceslav, I would ask you to to support your assertions about me, (or retract,) by demonstrating in my words:
1. That I have said "we should avoid the SSPX, CMRI and all “Traditional Catholic groups."
2. That I have said Catholics can only go to eastern rite churches.
3. That I have urged Catholics to go to any eastern rite Churches without checking them out as to the parish and priest, which was at least implied by your assertion, as you left out my words of caution in your characterization of my beliefs, that I had have repeatedly stated about such situations.
I can also save you the time, your assertions about me are wrong, and my words say the opposite of #1 and #2, and stand against the implication made by you about myself in #3. I have given you links above to what I believe, I would ask you to read these in light of your statements.