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Post by magdalena on Jul 21, 2017 17:40:55 GMT -5
In answer to your question regarding the Consecration of France, here is what I was told by a friend who is well read on the subject.
"King Louis XVI consecrated France to the Sacred Heart of Jesus enroute to his execution as reported by his Irish priest confessor who accompanied him. At the base of the guillotine, the executioners attempted to bind his hands which the King initially refused. His Irish priest whispered to allow this in imitation of Our Dear Lord during His Holy Passion. The King then humbly submitted to the binding of his hands and climbed the steps to the guillotine. At the top, he proclaimed (paraphrasing): Oh, my beloved France, I pray that my blood does not redound upon thee ....
Your poster is wrong. King Louis did perform the consecration, but it was at the last possible moment. Marie Julie Jahenny asked our Dear Lord why this consecration wasn't completely accepted. Our Lord answered that the King had abdicated his throne. He had no right to do so. The consecration, therefore, performed by a man who had renounced his throne was only of limited value. Very sobering, indeed ....."
My friend sent me a correction to her earlier email....
Correction: "King Louis made the vow/consecration while in the Tuilleries awaiting execution. He prepared it with the help of his non-juring priest, Fr. Hebert. The document was found, concealed in the wall of his cell, when the Tuilleries was being torn down in 1871. This info can be found on the website Tea at Trianon. Also, google Marie Julie Jahenny and this info can be found. It's been a number of years since I've read all of this stuff .... Sorry for the misinformation in the above email."
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Post by magdalena on Jul 21, 2017 19:54:01 GMT -5
Please note the correction made above. Thanks!
Abbe Edgeworth accompanied the king up the steep steps leading to the guillotine, and as the blade fled, he was sprinkled with the king’s blood. As the writer François René de Châteaubriand put it, “a foreigner sustained the Monarch at his last hour—it seemed as if there were not a single Frenchman left who was loyal to his sovereign.” Miraculously, Edgeworth himself escaped through the crowd, helped by the fact that the clergy were obliged by Revolutionaries to wear lay dress. In a letter to his brother, Ussher, he later wrote:
“All eyes were fixed on me, as you may suppose; but as soon as I reached the first line, to my greatest surprise, no resistance was made. The second line opened in the same manner and when I got to the fourth or fifth, my coat, being a common surtout (for I was not permitted, on this occasion, to wear any exterior marks of a priest) I was absolutely lost in the crowd, and no more noticed than if I had been a simple spectator of a scene which forever will dishonour France.”
www.irishmeninparis.org/saints-and-churchmen/l-abbe-de-firmont
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Post by mikemac on Jul 22, 2017 16:55:43 GMT -5
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jul 22, 2017 17:00:45 GMT -5
Imo I dont think so since the King was actually King. A non Pope...cannot resign |
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Post by micah1199 on Jul 22, 2017 19:58:56 GMT -5
Louis 16 was actually Catholic. Father Ratzinger is not. Therefore, the comparision is flawed.
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Post by mikemac on Jul 22, 2017 21:09:29 GMT -5
I am not a sedevacantist, so that is why I asked. Is that allowable?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jul 22, 2017 22:16:26 GMT -5
I am not a sedevacantist, so that is why I asked. Is that allowable? Why not...no one IS a sede...its an adjective not a noun. |
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jul 22, 2017 22:17:18 GMT -5
[/did you notice I wrote IMO
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Post by magdalena on Jul 23, 2017 13:26:46 GMT -5
There are striking parallels between the abdication of Louis XVI and Benedict XVI which might make the numbers more than coincidental. In 1870 the Popes lost their temporal kingship when Italy declared war on the Papal States annexing Rome to the Kingdom of Italy. Then, on February 11, 1929, an agreement was signed between Italy and the Holy See called the Lateran Treaty creating the Vatican City State which gave the Popes an entirely new kingship. That being the case, Pius XI would be the first in the line of new papal kings, followed by Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, JP I, JP II, and lastly, Benedict XVI. Francis would not fall in this category because he was "ordained a priest" in 1969 in the new, doubtful "Anglican" rite, making him a layman and nothing more. The others -- whether Popes or anti-Popes -- were nonetheless valid priests so still could be considered to be part of the sacerdotal-monarchical structure of the Catholic Church; whereas Francis cannot. Interesting tidbit, Benedict abdicated his claim to the throne on February 11, 2013 -- the same day the Lateran Treaty was signed. So the first of the new kings (Pius XI) received his kingship on February 11, and the last of the new kings (Benedict XVI) resigned his kingship on February 11 -- leaving no more kings for the Church just as Louis XVI abdicated leaving no more kings for France. And what sign did heaven give? Lightning struck the Vatican -- not once, but twice. Lightning struck a third time on October 7, 2016, The Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary.
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Post by magdalena on Jul 23, 2017 13:42:33 GMT -5
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Post by magdalena on Jul 23, 2017 15:20:47 GMT -5
Another interesting piece of information.... The first apparition at Lourdes occurred on February 11, 1858.
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Post by mikemac on Jul 23, 2017 17:28:37 GMT -5
There are striking parallels between the abdication of Louis XVI and Benedict XVI which might make the numbers more than coincidental. In 1870 the Popes lost their temporal kingship when Italy declared war on the Papal States annexing Rome to the Kingdom of Italy. Then, on February 11, 1929, an agreement was signed between Italy and the Holy See called the Lateran Treaty creating the Vatican City State which gave the Popes an entirely new kingship. That being the case, Pius XI would be the first in the line of new papal kings, followed by Pius XII, John XXIII, Paul VI, JP I, JP II, and lastly, Benedict XVI. Francis would not fall in this category because he was "ordained a priest" in 1969 in the new, doubtful "Anglican" rite, making him a layman and nothing more. The others -- whether Popes or anti-Popes -- were nonetheless valid priests so still could be considered to be part of the sacerdotal-monarchical structure of the Catholic Church; whereas Francis cannot. Interesting tidbit, Benedict abdicated his claim to the throne on February 11, 2013 -- the same day the Lateran Treaty was signed. So the first of the new kings (Pius XI) received his kingship on February 11, and the last of the new kings (Benedict XVI) resigned his kingship on February 11 -- leaving no more kings for the Church just as Louis XVI abdicated leaving no more kings for France. And what sign did heaven give? Lightning struck the Vatican -- not once, but twice. Lightning struck a third time on October 7, 2016, The Feast of Our Lady of the Rosary. Interesting. It's also interesting that Sister Lucy first requested the consecration of Russia in 1929, the same year that the Lateran Treaty was signed. |
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Post by magdalena on Jul 23, 2017 22:14:51 GMT -5
Probably not coincidental either.
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Post by magdalena on Jul 23, 2017 23:37:31 GMT -5
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Post by magdalena on Jul 23, 2017 23:39:30 GMT -5
The tiara used to crown "Pope" Paul VI in 1963, was the last papal tiara used in a papal coronation and the last worn to date. It was donated by the Archdiocese of Milan after Giovanni Montini, Cardinal Archbishop of Milan, was elected Pope Paul VI in the papal conclave of 1963.
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