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Post by Pacelli on Jun 27, 2017 20:14:16 GMT -5
But Pacelli, Most if not all of the Ukrainian theologians promote sacrilege under the initiative of the UGCC bishops. We have the testimony of the Society of St. Josaphat who were "excommunicated" by said Bishops, we have examples throughout Canada, and Ukraine of this sacrilege. We have the testimony of the previous Patriarch of the Ukrainian Catholic Church himself. If this was the NO hierarchy, any (Traditional) Catholic would have nothing to do with them. Agreed. Someone wrote me privately about what I am agreeing to on this statement. Let he be clear, I agree as far as the evidence shows, and I am not disputing your evidence. There is a real problem with the UGCC hierarchy who have approved communicatio in sacris, and heretical ideas on the unity of the Church, I am not sure if all active bishops are complicit, or if the retired bishops are on board, but it is clearly widespread among the bishops and theologians. This is also a problem among the clergy who are promoting this is well. At the parish level, which is what affects us the most, at least in the US, it appears, at least for now, that this practice is not widespread.
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Post by Didymus on Apr 6, 2024 10:44:44 GMT -5
wenceslav What is the situation of the Saint Josaphat Society and its canonical status today?
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Post by wenceslav on Apr 8, 2024 7:32:42 GMT -5
Hi Didymus,
They remain excommunicated according to the Ukrainian Catholic hierarchy as well as the modernists in Rome. They are like the SSPX, before the lifting of the excommunications by “Pope” Benedict. However, the SSPX bishops still perform the ordinations for them when needed. There is no rapprochement expected and the Society of St. Josaphat continues its work in Western Ukraine. They are stalwarts for the Divine Liturgy in old Church Slavonic as well as all the Traditions of the Ukrainian Church before the 1990s. They are very anti-Russian (as expected) and quite a few laity have fought in the war against Russia.
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Post by Didymus on Apr 8, 2024 10:32:03 GMT -5
Hi Didymus, They remain excommunicated according to the Ukrainian Catholic hierarchy as well as the modernists in Rome. They are like the SSPX, before the lifting of the excommunications by “Pope” Benedict. However, the SSPX bishops still perform the ordinations for them when needed. There is no rapprochement expected and the Society of St. Josaphat continues its work in Western Ukraine. They are stalwarts for the Divine Liturgy in old Church Slavonic as well as all the Traditions of the Ukrainian Church before the 1990s. They are very anti-Russian (as expected) and quite a few laity have fought in the war against Russia. Hello Wenceslav , thank you for your answerd, I do not quite understand the problem I have read articles of yours and Pacelli's here in this regard, but I think there is a substantial difference here, is that the Eastern rites and specifically the Ukrainian rite despite their delatinization remain valid rites and remain unchanged and I even think I understood that the Popes were in favor of the Eastern rites not being latinized. So does St. Josaphat have any real significance today as a layman? Since we Latins have resorted to the traditional groups because our parishes are adhered to a dubious rite and we do not know if the sacraments are valid or not, in the Eastern case it seems not to be the same situation, since they have valid sacraments. Even if a person wished to enter the seminary would it be necessary to consider attending a St. Josaphat seminary or is it simply better to be canonically in the Ukrainian Hierarchy and carry on a silent struggle against the liberalism that has been infiltrating? How do you see this issue?
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