Post by Clotilde on Jun 21, 2017 12:40:28 GMT -5
I believe that there is a fine line in the Crisis and that sedevacantists and non-sedevacantists alike tend to go on rejection sprees.
I have thought extensively about what, at minimum, would partially correct the situation. Essentially, what obstacles would have to be removed for me to go back to my local parish--without reference to the pope question, or at least putting it on hold.
First, the mass would have to be a approved rite. If Paul VI was not pope, the new rite was never given by the Church so we can revert to the last version of the Roman rite. On this point, I know there is speculation about John XXIII, but I believe that many of the opinions about him were inherited from a time when these determinations were made by few with far less consideration and study.
For the mass, assuming John XXIII is safe, the 1962 missal at minimum would have to be used in my local parish.
The second barrier is ordinations and episcopal consecrations. If these were cleared up, beyond a doubt, I could go to my local parish.
Now, there are other issues at hand, regarding Vatican II but those do not directly involve the daily lives of Catholics and the sacraments.
As for the liberal things that happen outside of mass in a parish, it depends. I know these are big issues that I have listed, however, they are specific. I don't avoid my local Novus Ordo due to the dialogue responses or the vernacular, I avoid it because I do not think it is a rite of the Church. Therefore, I am not discounting everything in the Novus Ordo as bad, impious, or detrimental in a quick and hap-hazzardly fashion. When one rejects something in the Novu Ordo, they should only reject specifics and be able to give a sound reason for the rejection.
I have thought extensively about what, at minimum, would partially correct the situation. Essentially, what obstacles would have to be removed for me to go back to my local parish--without reference to the pope question, or at least putting it on hold.
First, the mass would have to be a approved rite. If Paul VI was not pope, the new rite was never given by the Church so we can revert to the last version of the Roman rite. On this point, I know there is speculation about John XXIII, but I believe that many of the opinions about him were inherited from a time when these determinations were made by few with far less consideration and study.
For the mass, assuming John XXIII is safe, the 1962 missal at minimum would have to be used in my local parish.
The second barrier is ordinations and episcopal consecrations. If these were cleared up, beyond a doubt, I could go to my local parish.
Now, there are other issues at hand, regarding Vatican II but those do not directly involve the daily lives of Catholics and the sacraments.
As for the liberal things that happen outside of mass in a parish, it depends. I know these are big issues that I have listed, however, they are specific. I don't avoid my local Novus Ordo due to the dialogue responses or the vernacular, I avoid it because I do not think it is a rite of the Church. Therefore, I am not discounting everything in the Novus Ordo as bad, impious, or detrimental in a quick and hap-hazzardly fashion. When one rejects something in the Novu Ordo, they should only reject specifics and be able to give a sound reason for the rejection.