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Post by johnyurich on May 11, 2017 12:27:07 GMT -5
All liberal Catholics should be told by their Bishop to either fall in line with Catholic teaching and be against abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control or be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control should be the only grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church. Not subscribing to other Catholic doctrines like denying that the Mass is a sacrifice, denying transubstantiation, etc. should not be grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church because not subscribing to those doctrines is not breaking any moral law but support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control is breaking moral law.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 13:34:09 GMT -5
All liberal Catholics should be told by their Bishop to either fall in line with Catholic teaching and be against abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control or be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control should be the only grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church. Not subscribing to other Catholic doctrines like denying that the Mass is a sacrifice, denying transubstantiation, etc. should not be grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church because not subscribing to those doctrines is not breaking any moral law but support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control is breaking moral law. As far as I know if you deny that the Mass is a sacrifice, or deny transubstantation you are NOT a Catholic. Sounds Protestant to deny those doctrines.
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Post by Pacelli on May 11, 2017 13:48:47 GMT -5
All liberal Catholics should be told by their Bishop to either fall in line with Catholic teaching and be against abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control or be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control should be the only grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church. Not subscribing to other Catholic doctrines like denying that the Mass is a sacrifice, denying transubstantiation, etc. should not be grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church because not subscribing to those doctrines is not breaking any moral law but support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control is breaking moral law. As far as I know if you deny that the Mass is a sacrifice, or deny transubstantation you are NOT a Catholic. Sounds Protestant to deny those doctrines. You are correct, if one denies these doctrines, he is then a heretic, and automatically excommunicated, even prior to the sentence of the Church.
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Post by johnyurich on May 11, 2017 13:50:11 GMT -5
All liberal Catholics should be told by their Bishop to either fall in line with Catholic teaching and be against abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control or be excommunicated from the Catholic Church. Support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control should be the only grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church. Not subscribing to other Catholic doctrines like denying that the Mass is a sacrifice, denying transubstantiation, etc. should not be grounds for excommunication from the Catholic Church because not subscribing to those doctrines is not breaking any moral law but support of abortion, homosexuality, homosexual marriage and artificial birth control is breaking moral law. As far as I know if you deny that the Mass is a sacrifice, or deny transubstantation you are NOT a Catholic. Sounds Protestant to deny those doctrines. If one is Baptized Catholic and attends Mass every weekend then one is a Catholic regardless if they deny certain Catholic doctrines. Denying that the Mass is a sacrifice and denying transubstantiation does not result in a Catholic being excommunicated.
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Post by carloscamejo on May 11, 2017 17:29:04 GMT -5
As far as I know if you deny that the Mass is a sacrifice, or deny transubstantiation you are NOT a Catholic. Sounds Protestant to deny those doctrines. If one is Baptized Catholic and attends Mass every weekend then one is a Catholic regardless if they deny certain Catholic doctrines. Denying that the Mass is a sacrifice and denying transubstantiation does not result in a Catholic being excommunicated. you're not serious right ...You can't deny a TWO MAJOR DOGMAS and not be excommunicated! If you don't believe those, then why go to Mass? Most Anglicans don't believe in transubstantiation or the Sacrifice of the Mass (the ones that do are too liberal to join the Church, long story) - so go there!
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Post by Pacelli on May 11, 2017 17:34:18 GMT -5
As far as I know if you deny that the Mass is a sacrifice, or deny transubstantation you are NOT a Catholic. Sounds Protestant to deny those doctrines. If one is Baptized Catholic and attends Mass every weekend then one is a Catholic regardless if they deny certain Catholic doctrines. Denying that the Mass is a sacrifice and denying transubstantiation does not result in a Catholic being excommunicated. It most certainly does. Heresy is an act which automatically causes the loss of membership in the Church. This presumes of course that the person understands that his view is against the teaching of the Church.
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Post by Clotilde on May 11, 2017 17:47:56 GMT -5
The Vatican II sect does not have enough manpower to do the paperwork alone required for all the excommunications they would need to hand out. Plus, believing that formal excommunication is only for people who adhere to the teachings of the Church is a major stumbling block to the process.
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Post by johnyurich on May 12, 2017 11:30:31 GMT -5
If one is Baptized Catholic and attends Mass every weekend then one is a Catholic regardless if they deny certain Catholic doctrines. Denying that the Mass is a sacrifice and denying transubstantiation does not result in a Catholic being excommunicated. you're not serious right ...You can't deny a TWO MAJOR DOGMAS and not be excommunicated! If you don't believe those, then why go to Mass? Most Anglicans don't believe in transubstantiation or the Sacrifice of the Mass (the ones that do are too liberal to join the Church, long story) - so go there! Now why would I even consider leaving the Catholic Church and unite with an Anglican/Episcopal Church when I am perfectly content remaining in the Catholic Church? I would have to have to be insane to even consider such a thing. Why should denying a non moral teaching of the Catholic Church like the teaching that the Mass is a sacrifice result in excommunication? It is not morally wrong to deny the Mass is a sacrifice.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 12:55:40 GMT -5
you're not serious right ...You can't deny a TWO MAJOR DOGMAS and not be excommunicated! If you don't believe those, then why go to Mass? Most Anglicans don't believe in transubstantiation or the Sacrifice of the Mass (the ones that do are too liberal to join the Church, long story) - so go there! Now why would I even consider leaving the Catholic Church and unite with an Anglican/Episcopal Church when I am perfectly content remaining in the Catholic Church? I would have to have to be insane to even consider such a thing. Why should denying a non moral teaching of the Catholic Church like the teaching that the Mass is a sacrifice result in excommunication? It is not morally wrong to deny the Mass is a sacrifice. The Novus Ordo is NOT the Catholic Church. It is a Protestantized counterfeit Church. Vatican II is counterfeit. God does NOT change. The New Mass is an invalid Mass. The Priests who were ordained after Vatican II (1968) are NOT valid Priests.
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Post by johnyurich on May 12, 2017 13:01:40 GMT -5
Now why would I even consider leaving the Catholic Church and unite with an Anglican/Episcopal Church when I am perfectly content remaining in the Catholic Church? I would have to have to be insane to even consider such a thing. Why should denying a non moral teaching of the Catholic Church like the teaching that the Mass is a sacrifice result in excommunication? It is not morally wrong to deny the Mass is a sacrifice. The Novus Ordo is NOT the Catholic Church. It is a Protestantized counterfeit Church. Vatican II is counterfeit. God does NOT change. The New Mass is an invalid Mass. The Priests who were ordained after Vatican II (1968) are NOT valid Priests. If the Catholic Church is not in the Vatican then where is the Catholic Church located? You actually believe that God recognizes the Latin Mass as being acceptable worship and not the Novus Ordo Mass? Why?
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 13:08:59 GMT -5
The Novus Ordo is NOT the Catholic Church. It is a Protestantized counterfeit Church. Vatican II is counterfeit. God does NOT change. The New Mass is an invalid Mass. The Priests who were ordained after Vatican II (1968) are NOT valid Priests. If the Catholic Church is not in the Vatican then where is the Catholic Church located? You actually believe that God recognizes the Latin Mass as being acceptable worship and not the Novus Ordo Mass? Why? The Catholic Faith is alive and doing well and is found among the faithful Catholics pre-Vatican II. The Novus Ordo is a Masonic Protestantized service. It is not a Mass. There is no transubstation occurring in the Protestantized Novus Ordo. "Jesus Christ, the SAME, yesterday, today and forever". (Emphasis added). God does not change. The Faith does not change.
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Post by johnyurich on May 12, 2017 13:12:48 GMT -5
If the Catholic Church is not in the Vatican then where is the Catholic Church located? You actually believe that God recognizes the Latin Mass as being acceptable worship and not the Novus Ordo Mass? Why? The Catholic Faith is alive and doing well and is found among the faithful Catholics pre-Vatican II. The Novus Ordo is a Masonic Protestantized service. It is not a Mass. There is no transubstation occurring in the Protestantized Novus Ordo. "Jesus Christ, the SAME, yesterday, today and forever". (Emphasis added). God does not change. The Faith does not change. And how do you know for certain that transubstantiation is not occurring in the Novus Ordo Mass? There is nothing Protestant about the Novus Ordo Mass. There are no Protestant doctrines in the Novus Ordo Mass. I have never observed any Protestant doctrines in the Novus Ordo Mass.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2017 13:23:48 GMT -5
The Catholic Faith is alive and doing well and is found among the faithful Catholics pre-Vatican II. The Novus Ordo is a Masonic Protestantized service. It is not a Mass. There is no transubstation occurring in the Protestantized Novus Ordo. "Jesus Christ, the SAME, yesterday, today and forever". (Emphasis added). God does not change. The Faith does not change. And how do you know for certain that transubstantiation is not occurring in the Novus Ordo Mass? There is nothing Protestant about the Novus Ordo Mass. There are no Protestant doctrines in the Novus Ordo Mass. I have never observed any Protestant doctrines in the Novus Ordo Mass. Have you ever been to a Latin Mass? There are no Eucharistic ministers in the Latin Mass. Only the Priest touches the Host. Pre-Vatican II there was no Protestantized ecumenism which is rampart in the Novus Ordo. The "hand shake" in the Novus Ordo is right from the Masons. (No hand shaking in the Latin Mass). The Rite of priestly Ordination was changed and it is doubtful if the Priests after Vatican II (1968) are even Priests. The Novus Ordo is a Protestantized Masonic counterfeit church. It is NOT the Catholic Church and it does not hold the Catholic Faith.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 12, 2017 16:32:45 GMT -5
We can all wish Johnny fare thee well.
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