Homeschoolers...dealing with BigBrother CPS

[Voxxkowalski]

I AM NOT ATTORNEY___THE FOLLOWING IS MY OPINION_BUT an opinion based on experience do your own research to verify my claim...and every state can be different:
In nearly every state CPS pretends to have over arching rights. They do not...what they do is use fear and intimidation to get the parents to talk too much(attempting to collect evidence)...become violent...or volunteer to give their Parental rights up. We home-schooled our kids...and one of the first and most important steps that many homeschoolers neglect is securing legal representation...our own member Jen51 is asking for prayers for a family who have had their children kidnapped by these serpents and apparatchik thugs. Like the movie vampires these scum-dogs have no powers unless you invite them in...or relinquish your rights. Please for Goodness sake...if you are a homeschooler and have not yet secured a membership with a group like HSLDA or a private attorney sympathetic to homeschoolers do so now. Most groups will not or cannot help you once the cps nazis have control of the kids...you have superior authority and power IF you cut these bstrds off at the legs right away! Never trust them...never acquiesce to their commands. They are not police. Even if Police are present with them at your door. Unless the Police themselves have a warrant or forcibly insist on entering you have every power and right to cut them off. We were members of HSLDA and it was the best most comforting membership we ever owned. Totally cheap at the time of 100$ a year. You got a great newsletter educating you of your rights and new laws in your state that were trying to infringe on those rights. They even had instructions on exactly what to do if these criminals showed up at your door. But most importantly..you had a lawyer to call 24-7
Now it seems to me that Jen51s friends attempted to "cooperate" to some degree with these monsters...and then its too late...you validated their authority over you. CPS has ZERO authority over you and your children unless you have been duly charged and arrested of a relevant crime by POLICE. They can have annonymous tips...hunches...neighbor complaints...teachers...(thats right watch the public school teachers who your in contact with) coaches...fellow parishoners...whatever. UNLESS the Police have a warrant...and you are charged and under arrest the CPS has no more authority over your family than the door to door Jahova witness. Let them shuffle their papers on the clipboard...show their fancy badges or marked up county vehicle...threaten you etc...dont give in. The first thing to do if these creatures show up is politely refuse to speak to them (be sure to remove all children from sight and immediately call an attorney or your legal defense group. IF they (CPS) show up without police in tow...YOU call the Police. And refuse to talk to the cps till the Police come (again while you wait call your legal help. Your rights are better protected under the Police (belive it or not) than some SJW hack on a mission to "save the children".


Watch this fellow..he handles it perfectly (and pay close attention to the Police...notice they do not intervene)








This next video was an interesting tactic...excellent in fact...(watch the sticky sweet thugs fleee!) and I want you to pay attention to the fact that the woman protecting her rights is understandably afraid...you can hear it in her voice...BUT she does her duty and protects her and her children...God bless you lady whoever you are...remember being afraid is not weakness but wisdom.(for a laugh take note at the end when the thug moves his tiny county magnet that is supposed to denote his power over you a citizen.







This from an ex CPS:

[jen51]

Ever since this happened to my friends a few days ago, it seems that all I can get done is researching how to best protect our family from the CPS. They can come any time. I realize this now, and know that we are completely unprepared for it.

There are some excellent YouTube video's out there. I watched the ones you posted, Voxx. The guy in the third one has made it his mission to speak out against the CPS, and is a wealth of knowledge on how to protect your family from them.

Some things my husband and I have decided to implement right away:
A recorder that is handy and charged at all times for when they knock on the door.
A script. This will be especially necessary for me, because I melt away to nothing under pressure.
We are going to sign up for HSLDA, and have an action plan and phone numbers on paper so we can be prepared the instant it happens.

I'm glad that I am starting to do some more research on this topic. It makes me feel better, and more confident to understand our rights. The biggest thing right off the bat is to NEVER let them into your house unless it's required by law, as Voxx pointed out. There are only certain circumstances where they can come in, even if they try to make you believe otherwise. Once they are in, as I understand it, you are basically toast. If they are coming on an anonymous call, which is very often the case, and you refuse to let them in, chances are that it will likely be the end of it, because to gain access to your house would require mounds of paperwork and extra effort on their part. Most state workers aren't up for that kind of job.

I learned some disturbing facts today while watching a youtube video. Unless these practices have changed, I learned that:
CPS investigators get bonuses when children are pulled from homes.
A bachelors degree (in any subject) plus two months of "training" is all that is needed to be licensed to steal your children.
Foster "parents" get more money for their foster kid the more medical problems he has. Therefore, children are needlessly put on dangerous perscription meds in order to line the pockets of the foster parents.
The death of children is 6 times higher in foster homes than in homes where "abuse" is occurring.

[Voxxkowalski]

It is just negligent for homeschoolers not to have some form of legal insurances...lawyer...advocacy membership etc. Im very proud that my wife and I were on the vanguard of this movement...we took alot of heat....and it wasnt nearly accepted as it is now.

[jen51]

By Friday my friends should be out on bond. They will come home to a quiet, childless house. They will stand trial for aggravated child abuse when the time comes, which could be 1-2 years. If found guilty, they could each spend 2 1/2- 11 years in prison. Right now they are in the county jail in seperate cells, being treated as criminals.
They have no knowledge whatsoever of where their children have gone, or if they have been kept together. I find this to be especially cruel and unjust. So much for "innocent until proven guilty". If they aren't guilty yet, why must they have no knowledge of their children, even if it's just to know that they are OK.
My MIL was able to visit the mother in jail today. She spoke nothing of their pending trial or of the fear of a prison sentence- she could only weep out of concern for how her children are feeling. Are they scared, abused, confused?

Someone inquired in my prayer thread as to whether they are Catholic. Christian in Baptism only, unfortunately. I will give it to them, that they are sincere in their pursuit of the truth, and I have reasonable hope that they will convert. If only they were Catholic, they could gain a lot through this. But then again, maybe this experience will bring them home to The Church.

[jen51]

Aug 31, 2016 19:58:52 GMT -5 Voxxkowalski said:

It is just negligent for homeschoolers not to have some form of legal insurances...lawyer...advocacy membership etc.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[Voxxkowalski]

Aug 31, 2016 20:04:24 GMT -5 jen51 said:

By Friday my friends should be out on bond. They will come home to a quiet, childless house. They will stand trial for aggravated child abuse when the time comes, which could be 1-2 years. If found guilty, they could each spend 2 1/2- 11 years in prison. Right now they are in the county jail in seperate cells, being treated as criminals.
They have no knowledge whatsoever of where their children have gone, or if they have been kept together. I find this to be especially cruel and unjust. So much for "innocent until proven guilty". If they aren't guilty yet, why must they have no knowledge of their children, even if it's just to know that they are OK.
My MIL was able to visit the mother in jail today. She spoke nothing of their pending trial or of the fear of a prison sentence- she could only weep out of concern for how her children are feeling. Are they scared, abused, confused?

Someone inquired in my prayer thread as to whether they are Catholic. Christian in Baptism only, unfortunately. I will give it to them, that they are sincere in their pursuit of the truth, and I have reasonable hope that they will convert. If only they were Catholic, they could gain a lot through this. But then again, maybe this experience will bring them home to The Church.

What are they accused of?

[Marya Dabrowski]

How old are their children?

[chestertonian]

My wife was rescued by CPS,they got her out of her crazy alcoholic moms house. They are looking for abusers,pedophiles, druggie parents,deadbeats, and parents who are too mentally ill to raise their own kids.

When we were homeschooling we did not join the HSLDA. My son was a kindergartener and children under 6 are not required to be enrolled in school so i didnt see a point.

I think that if your kids are well nourished, get regular checkups, are using an accredited homeschooling program (there are several trad programs that are accredited) and aren't being beaten,verbally or sexually abused, you dont have much to worry about. The state does not want your kids...they really dont. I don't think I would want my son to have a "script" for what to say to CPS because they can see through this stuff and will suspect abuse even more if kids look like they're following a "script." We dont have anything to hide.

When CPS got involved with my wifes family they did everything possible to keep her with some relative. they did not just jump right to foster care,though she did spend time in foster care due to some problems with the relatives.

I will pray for the family Jen mentioned and hope that things come to a resolution for them soon. The kids must be scared and upset by all this. that being said, a lot of times abusers dont come across as abusive to acquaintences and friends and they get away with what they do because it's not obvious. Not necessarily saying that these people are abusers,but sometimes there are things that go on beneath the surface.

[Voxxkowalski]

Sorry chester...but even a broken clock can be right twice a day....parental rights are a sacred gift of God...cps at its very best is still an institution created specifically to insinuate itself between parents and children. Priests abuse children it seems..mdo you want a secular governmental organization of untrained laypeople insinuating themselves between Catholics and their Church? Well maybe newchurch...but anyway. I couldnt disagree with you more. Your wifes situation is the exception not the rule. Cps is simply another manifistation of a sick society...and has become a master not a servant.

[Marya Dabrowski]

I have thought many times about joining HSLDA but each time something has told me not to.  It may be because our homeschool activist group in our state has informed us that HSLDA is working against the interests of homeschoolers by trying to get more restrictive legislation passed in our state.  They have also warned us that HSLDA is misinterpreting the state law and telling homeschoolers to file forms that are unnecessary.

Here are some examples where they didn't help in different states. There are more examples on the site from other states.
 hsislegal.com/does_hslda_work_with_state_associations_and_support_the_autonomy_of_homeschoolers/

“HSLDA waltzed into many states, including mine, as legislative experts and effected home education laws they could live with across the country. Now the strategy for HSLDA appears to be to freeze those unconstitutional laws in place. They certainly don’t need to lobby openly. They merely publish timely and biased bulletins encouraging their support groups to kill all new legislative efforts. Fear mongering is the typical method.”

-Doris Hohensee,
New Hampshire Alliance for Home Education

As presumed legal and legislative experts, [HSLDA attorneys] impose themselves on state networks and assume the individuals’ responsibility. When this happens, people on the state and local level are no longer building long-term relationships they can use, they are building relationships for HSLDA. When out-of-state attorneys fly in and start pulling tricks out of their hats they effectively circumvent the kind of networking and coalition building that can best serve the real needs of homeschooling families.

-Mark and Helen Hegener,
authors of Homeschooling Freedoms at Risk,
publishers of Home Education Magazine

Illinois

Susan Frederick reports that on March 3, 1999, “the HSLDA lawyer took over the legislative hearing on the registration bill HB 2756 and became the one sole voice for homeschoolers” despite there being “a room full of Illinios homeschoolers” who were “ready, able and willing to testify.”

“HB 2756 was a bill that was intended to ‘protect’ the citizens of IL from those who had not been vaccinated. Under the guise of health, safety and welfare of the general public, homeschoolers would have been required to register and provide information that no other private school was required to do. In IL, homeschoolers are simply private schools, no registration or testing required.

“The Christian Home Educators Coalition of Illinois flew in Scott Woodruff of HSLDA and somehow he managed to be the only representative allowed to speak for the homeschoolers. The measure passed by a narrow margin, in part because the imported HSLDA lawyer did such a poor job of objecting the presentation of homeschoolers as a filthy health hazard.”

“Many feel part of the reason that bill didn’t die in committee was due to the very ineffective job that the HSLDA lawyer did in stating the case against the bill. Because HB 2756 was not killed in committee much work had to be done to defeat it among the various representatives. Had at least one homeschooler who actually lived in Illinois been allowed to speak, it might have been a different matter.”

Michigan

Doris Hohensee writes, “In ’93 three MI Supreme Court cases were decided in favor of homeschoolers using the private school option in MI. Shortly afterwards Dee Witt Black of HSLDA told Pat Montgomery/Clonlara that MI needed a homeschooling law. Pat’s response was ‘over my dead body.’

“A stealth homeschooling bill passed the MI legislature in ’96 unbeknownst to homeschoolers in MI. In ’97 Michigan homeschoolers tried to repeal this homeschooling law (against efforts by HSLDA to keep the law on the books). HSLDA advised its members that the law created a valuable new option, that it did not take away any existing options, and that it was an “improvement” for home schoolers.

“‘Home education’ is now defined explicitly in Michigan law under the *public school code*, not as a form of private education. It’s only a matter of time before the some politician declares that homeschoolers are no longer private educators in Michigan. Scott Somerville’s/HSLDA response to this concern was: ‘So what?'”

In 1995, a small collection of people, all connected to HSLDA and its affiliated Michigan state association secretly introduced and pushed through legislation that created a new definition of homeschooling, creating “a virgin field, ready to have a whole new set of case law plowed up out of it; a whole new set of lawyer fees to be paid to the lawyers doing the litigating, and a whole new set of homeschool families being scared into buying homeschool defense legal insurance.”

“In the end, a group of conniving individuals will be able to build bigger and fancier houses and be invited to serve on election committees as they move on to the next state to convince your legislators to clarify and expand the laws surrounding homeschooling. In fact, you can be sure they’re already there, laying the groundwork.”

[jen51]

There is nothing hidden about my friends who have had their children stolen from them, Chestertonian. Wake up. I have read enough about CPS, seen enough first hand, heard enough testimonies from CPS WORKERS THEMSELVES and families who have been abused by them to know that you are utterly wrong is your assessment. There are some good CPS workers, but the system as a whole is corrupt. And that is the last I'll argue about the integrity of CPS.

[jen51]

Marya, what you post is interesting. I'm definitely going to look in to it more. It's so hard to discern who is for you and against you these days. Many are wolves in sheep's clothing (like the CPS). I sincerely hope that is not the case for HSLDA.

[jen51]

Aug 31, 2016 20:47:08 GMT -5 Voxxkowalski said:

Aug 31, 2016 20:04:24 GMT -5 jen51 said:

By Friday my friends should be out on bond. They will come home to a quiet, childless house. They will stand trial for aggravated child abuse when the time comes, which could be 1-2 years. If found guilty, they could each spend 2 1/2- 11 years in prison. Right now they are in the county jail in seperate cells, being treated as criminals.
They have no knowledge whatsoever of where their children have gone, or if they have been kept together. I find this to be especially cruel and unjust. So much for "innocent until proven guilty". If they aren't guilty yet, why must they have no knowledge of their children, even if it's just to know that they are OK.
My MIL was able to visit the mother in jail today. She spoke nothing of their pending trial or of the fear of a prison sentence- she could only weep out of concern for how her children are feeling. Are they scared, abused, confused?

Someone inquired in my prayer thread as to whether they are Catholic. Christian in Baptism only, unfortunately. I will give it to them, that they are sincere in their pursuit of the truth, and I have reasonable hope that they will convert. If only they were Catholic, they could gain a lot through this. But then again, maybe this experience will bring them home to The Church.

What are they accused of?

They are being charged with aggravated child abuse. Not physical blows or anything like that. I don't even think they spank. 

They have an autistic child. Their children were taken, and they were arrested for following the advice of both a doctor and a psychologist on how to deal with some behavioral problems for the boy. 

[jen51]

Aug 31, 2016 21:57:35 GMT -5 Marya Dabrowski said:

How old are their children?

16,14,12,12,7,6, and 4. The ones underage at least. They have two boys above the age 18. 

[Voxxkowalski]

they probably consider haveing more than 2 kids child abuse and abuse of gia earth. What a travesty! What state is this occuring in? Maybe speak to a State rep or Senator sympathetic to homeschoolers....also is concerned women for america still around? What about AMerican Center for Law and Justice.