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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Aug 12, 2016 7:02:22 GMT -5
Has anyone been to Portugal? What do you think was meant by, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc..."?
Previously I had thought that Portugal was going to be special and that it was stating that Only in Portugal would the faith be preserved.
But lately I am wondering if Lucia was just stating for Portugal specifically, since that was where she was, but not Portugal exclusively. For example, if the ending of the sentence was something like this, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved by a small group of Catholics who hold fast to the true sacraments." It could be the same everywhere in the world, but Lucia is just stating Portugal because it is relevant more to her, where she can avoid the "great apostasy." And other people in other countries should do the same.
Make any sense?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Aug 13, 2016 6:10:03 GMT -5
Yes...Ive always wondered about that statement as well
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Aug 13, 2016 7:23:27 GMT -5
If it was Only Portugal then I would be moving there to find out where and how I could be part of that preservation. I think it is an important part of the secret.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Aug 13, 2016 7:51:01 GMT -5
When I was at ...hmm cant remeber forum name...it was just before Sbyvl founded TD...anyway...at that forum there was a member from Portugal who pointed out that the Churches there were just as modernist as anywhere else. The Fatima Cathederal (modern one) is proof of that.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Aug 14, 2016 21:11:51 GMT -5
When I was at ...hmm cant remeber forum name...it was just before Sbyvl founded TD...anyway...at that forum there was a member from Portugal who pointed out that the Churches there were just as modernist as anywhere else. The Fatima Cathederal (modern one) is proof of that Okay thanks for that info. Maybe my thoughts are correct then.
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Post by Clotilde on Aug 14, 2016 22:09:46 GMT -5
I've always thought that it meant that somehow the faith would go on in Portugal through chastisements until the end of time, whereas in other places it would completely be eradicated.
It could also mean that through Portugal, as in something touched by that country, it's territories, people, good works, etc, somehow the faith would be preserved.
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Post by Sbyvlius on Aug 15, 2016 21:42:05 GMT -5
Do we even know for certain if the Fatima secret actually says that the Faith will always be preserved in Portugal?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Aug 16, 2016 4:45:44 GMT -5
Do we even know for certain if the Fatima secret actually says that the Faith will always be preserved in Portugal? Do you think its a misquote after all these years of its promulgation? If it was a non existant quote wouldnt someone have mentioned it? Its fair question hpwever.
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Post by Clarence Creedwater on Aug 16, 2016 6:33:00 GMT -5
Has anyone been to Portugal? What do you think was meant by, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved, etc..."? Previously I had thought that Portugal was going to be special and that it was stating that Only in Portugal would the faith be preserved. But lately I am wondering if Lucia was just stating for Portugal specifically, since that was where she was, but not Portugal exclusively. For example, if the ending of the sentence was something like this, "In Portugal the dogma of the faith will always be preserved by a small group of Catholics who hold fast to the true sacraments." It could be the same everywhere in the world, but Lucia is just stating Portugal because it is relevant more to her, where she can avoid the "great apostasy." And other people in other countries should do the same. Make any sense? It does not say only. And, the remaining portion could even have an "if" following it. In any case, the Scriptures do say that the Church will be reduced to a remnant, and that it will at one time be hidden from the eyes of the world. So, the sense of a remnant and being hidden can easily be understood that what we see as mainstream will not be Catholic, but that it will be hidden in various homes where people retain the faith and do what Our Lady asked in 1917. I think the mention of Portugal was specifically done for the sake of Lucia, since that is where she and her family were from. The coming of Our Lady of the Rosary, in such a way, and with such a message as never before, is very significant. Normally, all that really needs be said to Catholics is "stick with the holy father and everything will be okay". But no, there is no mention of that, which, I think, directly implies there will not be a true pope.
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