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Post by Clotilde on Jun 28, 2016 16:42:58 GMT -5
Things are constantly changing in the trad world. I think our family must be on plan K or L by now, but how about other people? Should your status quo change, say your chapel closes, drastically changes, or for some reason you cannot attend your current location, do you have a plan B, C, or D?
I went from finding out my initial priest was probably not even ordained, to an Indult and a Ukranian rite but we moved, then an Independent chapel that went south, then a priest at a secondary choice also had questionable holy orders, finally we had a decent chapel that was far but it closed. Next, we didn't have mass except on vacation, the next chapel usually could not accommodate our family or children, so we alternated between that and another until the mass schedule changed and it was impossible to get there.
I have learned the hard way, not to get attached but at least I know what I would do given most scenarios now. I guess I've become more adaptable.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jun 28, 2016 18:04:03 GMT -5
Reminds me of a joke: (if you forgive some levity) Im friends with 25 letters of the alphabet...I dont know "y" Seriously. You have to ask yourself very simply...what will save my Soul. Christ has not nor will he ever abandon His sheep. I think we can get caught up in OUR plans...Our fear...OUR needs (beyond Salvation) its times like this we must remember the Lily of the Feilds...the sparrow...the sheep. I learned long ago to "Be Still...and Know...that (HE) is God" I aint...I cant change one white hair black (if I had hair) or add an inch to my height. I am simply incapable of a perfect plan. I am warped and disfigured by sins...I am blind with pride and ego...I am distracted by lusts and hungers and inordinate desires...I am a spiritual Basket case...and guess what. SO ARE WE ALL. That is why the Catholic faith is so obviously True. It is the ONLY faith that truly addresses the actual status of mankind as it is. I say all this to grant you relief. Do not stress about these things (if you are). To borrow a silly protty line...Jehova Jyra..hes my provida... Look at these man made images (inspired by faith no doubt) and consider how glorious and confident they make you feel...AND YET,,,they arnt one quintillion the level of the True Nature of our God and His Kingdom: Im sure we can all add to this collection. In many ways the crisis has been good for me...I had to educate myself better...I have to trust less on external helps and really really look inward and pray hard. I take no good Catholic thing for granted. Im not sure why I was compelled to write this except to say I want all of you to have confidence...be brave...hold on...after all if one is going through hell...by all means KEEP GOING!
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Post by chestertonian on Jun 28, 2016 19:44:59 GMT -5
we take life one day at a time. i am not sede o Irecognize new ordinations. not many who do all sacrament in trad rite though. here you have priests who say TLM but do not have the traditional formation to go with it. I can't go to mass but am glad the resr of my family can go
i don't think it would be possible to move if things got worse. would probably end up in a nursing home and I don't think I would last long there
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 0:05:43 GMT -5
You all should move to Phoenix! We have SSPX, CMRI, and an independent chapel (currently under Bp. Sanborn) that has been around for well over 20 years Our Lady of the Sun. If the SSPX caves I will go to the CMRI chapel (#1) or the independent (#2)
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Post by Clotilde on Jun 29, 2016 7:29:03 GMT -5
You all should move to Phoenix! We have SSPX, CMRI, and an independent chapel (currently under Bp. Sanborn) that has been around for well over 20 years Our Lady of the Sun. If the SSPX caves I will go to the CMRI chapel (#1) or the independent (#2) I was wondering about what people might do who attend SSPX. I think many of the chapels will continue to be safe even after the deal is done, but even then, the situation changes.
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Post by carloscamejo on Jun 29, 2016 12:51:34 GMT -5
You all should move to Phoenix! We have SSPX, CMRI, and an independent chapel (currently under Bp. Sanborn) that has been around for well over 20 years Our Lady of the Sun. If the SSPX caves I will go to the CMRI chapel (#1) or the independent (#2) I was wondering about what people might do who attend SSPX. I think many of the chapels will continue to be safe even after the deal is done, but even then, the situation changes. I can take refuge in that the SSPX chapel I go to here in Central MN is in a horrifically modernist diocese with zero interest in the Latin Mass... So it'll be fine.
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 30, 2016 14:45:57 GMT -5
Reminds me of a joke: (if you forgive some levity) Im friends with 25 letters of the alphabet...I dont know "y" Seriously. You have to ask yourself very simply...what will save my Soul. Christ has not nor will he ever abandon His sheep. I think we can get caught up in OUR plans...Our fear...OUR needs (beyond Salvation) its times like this we must remember the Lily of the Feilds...the sparrow...the sheep. I learned long ago to "Be Still...and Know...that (HE) is God" I aint...I cant change one white hair black (if I had hair) or add an inch to my height. I am simply incapable of a perfect plan. I am warped and disfigured by sins...I am blind with pride and ego...I am distracted by lusts and hungers and inordinate desires...I am a spiritual Basket case...and guess what. SO ARE WE ALL. That is why the Catholic faith is so obviously True. It is the ONLY faith that truly addresses the actual status of mankind as it is. I say all this to grant you relief. Do not stress about these things (if you are). To borrow a silly protty line...Jehova Jyra..hes my provida... Look at these man made images (inspired by faith no doubt) and consider how glorious and confident they make you feel...AND YET,,,they arnt one quintillion the level of the True Nature of our God and His Kingdom: Im sure we can all add to this collection. In many ways the crisis has been good for me...I had to educate myself better...I have to trust less on external helps and really really look inward and pray hard. I take no good Catholic thing for granted. Im not sure why I was compelled to write this except to say I want all of you to have confidence...be brave...hold on...after all if one is going through hell...by all means KEEP GOING! IMO, the general stability and orthodoxy of the Ukrainian rite during this crisis has led you to draw a different set of conclusions about the goings on in the Roman rite that Clotilde is referring to. The breakdown in authority in the Roman rite has allowed unapproved groups, seminaries, chapels, bishops, priests, and nuns. In all of these cases, these groups are answerable to no one except themselves. In short, there is no law and order in the Roman rite at present, at least none that is practically functioning. In the Eastern Catholic Churches, in general, the hierarchy and the priests still have the Faith, even if in some cases they may be tainted with liberalism. Their hierarchy is present and actually ruling over their territories, and by that Catholics have law and order, and a place to bring grievances if needed. Due to this, in the eastern Catholic rites, you are much more free to focus completely on your personal spiritual life, to grow closer to God, overcome sin, and are not burdened with concerns and issues that Roman rite Catholics are facing in this "Wild West" atmosphere. While some situations are stable, many or not, and many more are in the grey area.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jun 30, 2016 15:27:14 GMT -5
I completely understand that...I just wanted to encourage and support you and tell you not to fret.
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Post by mundacormeum on Jun 30, 2016 22:04:16 GMT -5
We are currently developing a new plan, as our indult Mass (only TLM available near us) looks as though it may crumble. I have no idea which letter of the alphabet we are on anymore, though....seems like I have been through them all atleast twice over the course of my Faith journey! I don't where God is leading us. All I do know is that is that I hope we never fail to follow Him.
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Post by orthopapist on Aug 16, 2016 0:08:21 GMT -5
Sure is confusing times, I have also tried many chapels - conciliar (liberal, conservative), indult, byzantine, independent, sspx, cmri, sspv, pope michael, etc. God might be making Catholics "antifragile": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifragility"Antifragility is a property of systems that increase in capability, resilience, or robustness as a result of stressors, shocks, volatility, noise, mistakes, faults, attacks, or failures." Kind of like "what doesn't kill you makes you stronger". The Church in contrast, prior to Vatican 2, must have been "fragile" and susceptible to the wholesale destruction that came about; maybe there wasn't enough preparedness training and "shocks to the system" to build up to prevent it. Companies like Netflix created a "Chaos Monkey" system that deliberately creates random problems to force the system to be more efficient and stronger, there wasn't enough of this going on (not sure how it could have or would have been implemented, just something by analogy I've though about). "Chaos Monkey is an open source software tool for DevOps created by Greg Orzell at Netflix that tests computer systems. The software works by intentionally creating different failures and tests the ability to survive them." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_MonkeyThis idea seems to be in line with the idea that God's Will orders lives to bring about good in their lives through even bad things. Anyway, yes I think going place to place has forced a kind of "keeping on my toes" skill I hope to keep working on and keep moving if necessary or within the network I'm in.
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