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Post by John Lewis on Jun 26, 2023 23:16:52 GMT -5
In this Sermon Bp McGuire of SGG, Ohio states at circa 2:00, "and I think too that it can be argued, theologically speaking that the Masses of the SSPX which are offered Una Cum, in Union with a Heretic, do not produce grace and therefore are an insult to God."
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 27, 2023 12:17:43 GMT -5
In this Sermon Bp McGuire of SGG, Ohio states at circa 2:00, "and I think too that it can be argued, theologically speaking that the Masses of the SSPX which are offered Una Cum, in Union with a Heretic, do not produce grace and therefore are an insult to God." He is showing that not only is SGG continuing to promote this falsehood, it seems that they are getting worse and even more sectarian.
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Post by Didymus on Jun 27, 2023 15:05:28 GMT -5
This is tiring...
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Post by marcellusfaber on Jun 28, 2023 3:34:50 GMT -5
I wonder what his argument and sources are. Does he even have any sources?
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Post by Didymus on Jun 28, 2023 9:48:02 GMT -5
I suppose they will be the same, the writings of Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Cekada (RIP), the majority of the younger Sedevacantist traditional clergy have been formed in these ideas, even in the CMRI today you can see that a large part and I think the majority Follow these ideas, it's a shame.
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Post by Caillin on Jun 28, 2023 12:11:43 GMT -5
I suppose they will be the same, the writings of Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Cekada (RIP), the majority of the younger Sedevacantist traditional clergy have been formed in these ideas, even in the CMRI today you can see that a large part and I think the majority Follow these ideas, it's a shame. This is my impression, too. I like Bp. McGuire, and am not intent on denigrating him, but he is promoting grace-depriving error. His last activity on Twitter (Sep. 2022) revolved entirely around "Una Cum". His comments evince, in my opinion, that everything he knows about the issue is from Bp. Sanborn and Fr. Cekada articles, and he isn't capable of arguing for his position without repeating what's in those articles. Moreover, he mostly only responds to objections by saying the answers are in those articles, yet still objects that he and others aren't "just parrots who just accept a party line and don't study these issues." He also repeats the long worn-out erroneous idea that that the Mass is "offered in union with" whoever's name is put after the "una cum", rather than it being a prayer for those named.
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Post by Didymus on Jun 28, 2023 19:43:00 GMT -5
I suppose they will be the same, the writings of Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Cekada (RIP), the majority of the younger Sedevacantist traditional clergy have been formed in these ideas, even in the CMRI today you can see that a large part and I think the majority Follow these ideas, it's a shame. This is my impression, too. I like Bp. McGuire, and am not intent on denigrating him, but he is promoting grace-depriving error. His last activity on Twitter (Sep. 2022) revolved entirely around "Una Cum". His comments evince, in my opinion, that everything he knows about the issue is from Bp. Sanborn and Fr. Cekada articles, and he isn't capable of arguing for his position without repeating what's in those articles. Moreover, he mostly only responds to objections by saying the answers are in those articles, yet still objects that he and others aren't "just parrots who just accept a party line and don't study these issues." He also repeats the long worn-out erroneous idea that that the Mass is "offered in union with" whoever's name is put after the "una cum", rather than it being a prayer for those named. The truth is that I only see arrogance at times in all of this... how can you not delve into such an important topic as the reception of the sacraments of the faithful in a state of emergency like the one we are experiencing? .... He talks about how there is little charity or little desire to study things in depth in this whole matter, it is something to see how they express themselves about John Lane and John Daly, just because they are secular, there is an overdose of clericalism in the world of traditionalism. I have nothing personal with Bishop Mcguire, but his lack of charity and filter to say things is annoying me. He also annoys me when they talk about being “the only true Church”. That sounds so sectarian…. In addition to not knowing that no one has jurisdiction or authority in the Church, all this is a consequence of not wanting to delve into the subject, or for not seeking the Truth in all this, poor training in seminars, party and disastrous politics and also arrogance in my opinion in some cases, here are some statements by Mcguire condemning the entire FSSPX and dissolving it. How can a person with an episcopal order be able to do this publicly and say something so uncharitable towards Catholics who have no other means? to receive the sacraments without any type of filter? .... I hope he really reconsider Attachments:
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Post by John Lewis on Jun 28, 2023 21:11:27 GMT -5
Where is that screenshot from @didymus?
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Post by Clotilde on Jun 28, 2023 21:19:05 GMT -5
Where is that screenshot from @didymus? You can click on it to enlarge. It was a FB comment by McGuire which I also saw and found distasteful.
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Post by Didymus on Jun 28, 2023 21:46:55 GMT -5
Where is that screenshot from @didymus? It was in a FB John group a while ago
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Post by John Lewis on Jun 29, 2023 3:54:21 GMT -5
I suppose they will be the same, the writings of Bishop Sanborn and Fr. Cekada (RIP), the majority of the younger Sedevacantist traditional clergy have been formed in these ideas, even in the CMRI today you can see that a large part and I think the majority Follow these ideas, it's a shame. This is my impression, too. I like Bp. McGuire, and am not intent on denigrating him, but he is promoting grace-depriving error. His last activity on Twitter (Sep. 2022) revolved entirely around "Una Cum". His comments evince, in my opinion, that everything he knows about the issue is from Bp. Sanborn and Fr. Cekada articles, and he isn't capable of arguing for his position without repeating what's in those articles. Moreover, he mostly only responds to objections by saying the answers are in those articles, yet still objects that he and others aren't "just parrots who just accept a party line and don't study these issues." He also repeats the long worn-out erroneous idea that that the Mass is "offered in union with" whoever's name is put after the "una cum", rather than it being a prayer for those named. I've had the same experience with RCI priests. It's important to note that they have signed a document which commits them to the NUC position. They aren't about to change their minds on the issue. For them it is a matter of Faith. I really wish that sedes hadn't fallen into the error of thinking they're the only priests and bishops left.
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Post by Didymus on Jun 29, 2023 9:24:35 GMT -5
I personally have suffered the consequences of this disastrous NUC doctrine in various aspects, without saying in my opinion that this doctrine indirectly promotes sincere consciences to fall into scruples since I have even had to see priests who follow this doctrine who would not only tell you that do not go to The SSPX but I would not accept that you go to confession with an elderly priest or any valid oriental rite priest either. Sometimes I have the impression that the idea of "saving the Church" is very strong among Catholics (I myself have had that desire), even in the traditional clergy, since the fact of assuming that they are "the only bishop , priest, etc" is, in my opinion, a consequence of that. That feeling is not bad, but it can be somewhat deceptive.
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 29, 2023 16:19:37 GMT -5
I personally have suffered the consequences of this disastrous NUC doctrine in various aspects, without saying in my opinion that this doctrine indirectly promotes sincere consciences to fall into scruples since I have even had to see priests who follow this doctrine who would not only tell you that do not go to The SSPX but I would not accept that you go to confession with an elderly priest or any valid oriental rite priest either. Sometimes I have the impression that the idea of "saving the Church" is very strong among Catholics (I myself have had that desire), even in the traditional clergy, since the fact of assuming that they are "the only bishop , priest, etc" is, in my opinion, a consequence of that. That feeling is not bad, but it can be somewhat deceptive. Didymus, your point is well taken, and I know of many souls spiritually harmed by this error. There is still so much more that can be said on this matter. The Grain of Incense is full of problems. I have dealt with some, and I hope to get back to it soon. Also, Bp. Sanborn's teachings are needing a response as well.
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Post by marcellusfaber on Jun 30, 2023 3:45:21 GMT -5
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 30, 2023 5:53:28 GMT -5
It was coming up on my list of things to do. The rabbit hole of the new rites and all the related issues that go with that has been using all of my time, but I will get back to this.
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