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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 16, 2023 7:27:59 GMT -5
I would like to start a discussion about what it would take on both sides to heal this schism and what would it look like if it happened. Interestingly the schism is predicted by Our Lady to be healed by her immaculate heart in the future. And with a horrific war in Russia Ukraine that seems could go full Armageddon it seems this healing must or better happen soon.
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John Lewis
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Post by John Lewis on May 16, 2023 16:42:22 GMT -5
The following are my thoughts:
1. The election of a valid Pope. 2. The consecration of Russia to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart by the Pope and all the Bishops in Union with Him. 3. End.
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Post by Pacelli on May 17, 2023 9:57:16 GMT -5
I would like to start a discussion about what it would take on both sides to heal this schism and what would it look like if it happened. Interestingly the schism is predicted by Our Lady to be healed by her immaculate heart in the future. And with a horrific war in Russia Ukraine that seems could go full Armageddon it seems this healing must or better happen soon. It's worth noting that this rift is not just a schism, and has not been for a long time. The schismatics have over time embraced heretical propositions as well, so it's not just a matter of them simply subjecting themselves to the jurisdiction of the Pope, they must accept all of the teachings of the Church as well. Years back, I put together a list of many heretical beliefs held by many if not all of those adhering to the "Orthodox" sects, in their own words, linked HEREThe Uniate Catholics of the East have shown how this can be done historically, and that the Church offers many concessions to those who wish to return to Rome, such as allowing the former schismatics to keep their own hierarchy, to elect their own bishops (almost always approved by the Pope), keep their liturgies and rites intact without having to change much, if anything at all, and for the most part do as they have always done, except now as Catholics, who learn from and subject themselves to the Pope. On their end, it would take courage and humility to realize that they have been wrong, and are not part of the Church established by Jesus Christ. This would take a great love for the truth, and a desire to follow the truth wherever it leads, even if that truth causes a complete upheaval to one's former assumptions.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 17, 2023 11:11:33 GMT -5
I spent an hour on a telegram live debate with ortho bros. They say nearly exactly as you...except in reverse. We must disavow the primacy...we must drop the post schism councils etc....it shows why some of the fathers hold schism to be worse than heresy. The incalcitrant pride. Im with the above list it will take a supernatural healing. There is a large knowledge base in Russia btw aboutFatima. And Father Kramer asserted in my interview with him that he thinks it will be the Uniate Ukrainians that set the first healing balm.
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