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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2022 15:20:15 GMT -5
I understand that one way to elect a new Pope is the calling of a general council. My understanding is that Vatican I was prorogued (discontinue a session of a parliament or other legislative assembly without dissolving it) indefinitely by Pius IX in the bull "Postquam Dei munere." Does this mean that Vatican I could be continued and if so what would be required for this to take place?
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Post by RitaMarita on Nov 9, 2022 17:57:45 GMT -5
I understand that one way to elect a new Pope is the calling of a general council. My understanding is that Vatican I was prorogued (discontinue a session of a parliament or other legislative assembly without dissolving it) indefinitely by Pius IX in the bull "Postquam Dei munere." Does this mean that Vatican I could be continued and if so what would be required for this to take place? From the way I understand it, Vatican I could be resumed but we would need a valid Pope first. Conclaves elect Popes and Popes start councils. The only thing that makes councils at all binding is when they are in union with a Pope. There is an amazing book series by Von Pastor, The History of the Popes. In his first book he talks about the Avignon Papacy and Western schism quoting many previously unpublished but undeniable sources. From what I remember every time people tried to call a council to resolve the issue of the papacy it ended in disaster and more chaos. The only way the schism was finally ended was by the true Pope at the time officially starting one of councils and making it go through. He then resigned so that the council could legally elect an uncontested new Pope.
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Post by Pacelli on Nov 10, 2022 10:14:59 GMT -5
If a Council were convened by the bishops, without a pope, in our situation in which there is no pope, the only thing that it could do is to declare the fact of the vacancy, and due to the emergency elect a Pope. They could not take any other action, and it would not be an ecumenical council.
But, before such actions are ever undertaken, there must be moral certainty that these are no remaining Cardinals left, sorting out those who have defected from those who profess the Faith. The right to election still belongs to the Cardinals, and it is only if they are all wiped out that it devolves to the bishops or the clergy of Rome.
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