Random audits by anti-homeschool nazis coming soon!

[Voxxkowalski]

www.govtslaves.info/here-comes-random-audits-for-homeschoolers/

A school district in one US state is preparing to conduct random audits of homeschool families in what one nationwide homeschool organization says is an unconstitutional move.

The audits by the Clinton County (Kentucky) school district will examine both academic and attendance records of homeschool families.

“As the number of homeschooled children in our county continues to increase, so does the need for the (school) district to ensure that all children in our county are getting a rigorous and effective education,” Julie York, the director of pupil personnel for the school district, was quoted as saying in the Clinton County News.

While families have “a Constitutional right” to homeschool, York said, “it is still the school district’s responsibility to make sure the student is educated.”

The school board, in fact, has requested that York and the district conduct random audits. Each family will receive a letter.

“During the summer, Clinton County home schools will be audited to ensure that all children in Clinton County have access to the best education possible,” a verification letter obtained by the News states.

The Home School Legal Defense Association said it opposes “any such audits as unconstitutional.”

“We are also troubled by what appears to be the underlying motivation for this proposed meddling by school officials: money,” HSLA said.

Clinton County schools are losing around $300,000 a year in funding from the state due to the homeschool students not being in public school, district Finance Director Mike Reeves told the board. HSLDA said that figure is likely closer to $435,000.

“It is obvious that Clinton County sees the increase of homeschoolers as taking money away from the district, and this is likely a significant reason in officials’ desire to increase scrutiny of homeschool families,” HSLDA said.

Around 85 children are homeschooled in Clinton County, and the number is increasing.

HSLDA attorney TJ Schmidt sent a letter to York, arguing that under state law “school officials cannot simply show up at a homeschool family’s home and demand records as they might of a more traditional private school.”

“No records should be demanded unless the school district has evidence that parents are not educating their children,” HSLDA said in a news release.

[chestertonian]

I can kind of see both sides to the debate.. educational neglect is a problem among a small MINORITY of homeschoolers, and when the ho.eschooli.g parents are also abusers it can be a disaster for the kids, with no accountability for the parents. who also often minimze the child's interaction with manfatoryreporters

That being said public school can be a "hostile work environment" as well for some kids.

[Voxxkowalski]

There is no other side to this debate. Parental rights trump any so called "right" of the state to determine the quality of your childs education. Only parents good or bad are the supreme arbiters of such things. the State has zero rights or cause to establish the education of children beyond that which is allowed BY parents. I suggest you click the link to the HSLDA website and see why your position is invalid.

[chestertonian]

I have some reservations about HSLDA. have not joined.

Homeschooling can be a wonderful choice for many families however for some, there is abuse and neglect..

Sometimes i read stories on homesvhoolers anonymous, heartbreaking stuff. A sort of "how NOT to homeschool" guide. it can be done well, and there are resources like Seton, Kolbe, MODG and other programs that offer mentoring and accountability for families help them to know that they are covering all their bases.

The homeschool community does have its wing nuts,,, the anti intellectual Quiverful ones that basically don't educate their daughters at all, to the radical hippie unschoolers who want their child to be self directed even if the kid directs himself toward playing Xbox all day. I know several radical unschooling families here in Brooklyn and I feel very bad for little Moonshine and little Sunshower

[chestertonian]

parents also have the right to educate their children but not the right to abuse or neglect their children

[Voxxkowalski]

the govt (non catholic) is a larger neglectful and abusive force against children and familys...and unaccountable. Ypu will always have abuse and neglect...the situation is npt solved by godless govt intervention. HSLDA is protestant dominated...but their legal positions visvis homeschoolers is excellent.

[recusant]

Jun 4, 2016 22:06:59 GMT -5 chestertonian said:

parents also have the right to educate their children but not the right to abuse or neglect their children

The Church teaches that the education of children is the duty of the parents not the state. 

[jen51]

I would agree that there will always be abuse and neglect. The state has absolutely no business having their hands in how our children are educated. It's sad that some homeschool families don't do a good job, but that evil does not justify the greater evil of giving the state reign over or children's education.

[chestertonian]

Jun 5, 2016 7:55:36 GMT -5 recusant said:

Jun 4, 2016 22:06:59 GMT -5 chestertonian said:

parents also have the right to educate their children but not the right to abuse or neglect their children

The Church teaches that the education of children is the duty of the parents not the state. 

unfortunately, there a segment of homeschool community that mistakes the right and duty to educate your child. this does not mean you have the right to neglect your child

Here is an example of what I am talking about:

www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calgary/radita-alex-rodica-emil-citadel-diabetes-1.3596882

[chestertonian]

my wife was in an abusive foster care situation when she eaa in middle school and it was a teacher who reported it. i also have had to report abuse as a teacher.

Therighs of parents are not the only rights that matter. children also have the right to not be abused or neglected. Abusive parents can get away with using homeschooling y make sure their abuse stays under the radar.

[recusant]

Jun 5, 2016 8:23:31 GMT -5 chestertonian said:

Jun 5, 2016 7:55:36 GMT -5 recusant said:

The Church teaches that the education of children is the duty of the parents not the state. 

unfortunately, there a segment of homeschool community that mistakes the right and duty to educate your child. this does not mean you have the right to neglect your child

Here is an example of what I am talking about:

www.cbc.ca/beta/news/canada/calgary/radita-alex-rodica-emil-citadel-diabetes-1.3596882

The sin of neglect of education  is between the perpetrator and his God NOT the perpetrator and the state. The state should have nothing to do with the inner functioning of the family unit UNLESS there is probable cause supported by an oath of affirmation testifying to criminal physical harm to an individual, only then should a judge issue a warrant.

[recusant]

Jun 5, 2016 8:37:32 GMT -5 chestertonian said:

my wife was in an abusive foster care situation when she eaa in middle school and it was a teacher who reported it. i also have had to report abuse as a teacher.

Therighs of parents are not the only rights that matter. children also have the right to not be abused or neglected. Abusive parents can get away with using homeschooling y make sure their abuse stays under the radar.

The foster care system is run by the state and obviously the state has more involvement in that situation than with a normal family.

[recusant]

The article that you linked to is an unfortunate case, but is the exception and by far not the rule. The media (under the direction of the nefarious powers that be) likes to highlight these unusual and rare cases to further their agenda.

[Clotilde]

The number of homeschoolers I know who have had CPS called on them are all cases against the idea that homeschoolers should be monitored by some agency. These people have spent years trying to shed themselves of false accusations. Some have had to pick up their entire lives and move. 

Those who use homeschooling as a cover technically aren't even homeschoolers. They are calling themselves something which they are not, in order to hide their evil. 

There are better ways and more just ways to handle these matters than to unjustly harass homeschoolers. The problem is that society is so far gone that it would be difficult to implement them. The other problems are family court, and pretty much the entire criminal justice system. 

If we do not fight together to keep the government out of homeschooling in a united manner, that is if we say "Oh, maybe there is the one exception because something bad happened," we are hastening the day when we will just be care providers for our government-issued future workers.

With that in mind, the Church says parents are the primary educators of their children. It does not dictate the manner, quality, or amount of education a child should recieve. Therefore that is left to the parent. If a parent wants to train their child to play oboe and farm hemp, it is their right to do so. Likewise, if a parent decides to delegate that education to a Catholic school, it is well with-in their right to do so. It is only in this godless society where we have those who believe that every child must enter a state program of indoctrination or they are abused and ignorant. 

[Pacelli]

I think some of the confusion on this stems from the fact that many Catholics do not realize that "Public Schools" are a relatively modern novelty.  These schools were created to provide a free public education, which quickly morphed into a compulsory education.  

The Church has always taught, and it is a principle of the natural law, that it is the parents who are the primary providers and educators of their children.  It is for the parents and only the parents to do this directly or to allow a third party (school, tutors, etc.) to do this, but at no time do the parents cede their rights over their children if they do use a school, nor are they freed from this grave responsibility before God.  

In regards to public school, Catholics are forbidden by Canon law to send their children to them, unless the local ordinary gives a dispensation, which is determined by him as to whether safeguards are in place to protect the child's Faith and morals.