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Post by maxim on Feb 23, 2018 23:31:24 GMT -5
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Post by maxim on Feb 23, 2018 23:33:25 GMT -5
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Feb 24, 2018 7:38:34 GMT -5
Isnt the sspx Priory una cum?
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Post by RitaMarita on Feb 24, 2018 8:28:11 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum!!! The primary suggestion I would have is try to stay away from the FSSP if possible. Their priests are ordained by novus ordo bishops... The SSPX was originally more solid but they have slowly been heading towards connecting with the Vatican. Many of their priests are still good, some of left and joined the "Resistance", and most of their priests are traditionally ordained, but a few of them were ordained in the novus ordo and never conditionally ordained. So, be a little careful with them. The SSPV lines are solid, but they can be a little bit strict sometimes, and tends to put people off. The group connected with "Our Lady of Perpetual Help" and Bishop McKenna is, I believe, rather solid. I have met some priests from this group who gave great sermons and spiritual advice. Not sure much about the others, but I wish you all of the best! We are all here for you if you have any additional questions or just want to chat with fellow traditional Catholics! Keep fighting the fight and may God bless you! Rita
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Post by Pacelli on Feb 24, 2018 14:26:32 GMT -5
Hi Maxim and welcome to the forum. I would urge you to avoid all traditionalist groups in union with Rome. They all use the bishops who were consecrated with the questionable 1968 new rite for their ordinations. Even though many of these men clearly have the Faith and love the Faith, sadly, the problem with their orders is the main issue, and for me I would not ever go to them for the sacraments. I put up directories of Eastern rite Catholic Churches HERE
There are many eastern rite options in Chicago in the Chicago area. The Ukrainian rite has four churches in Chicago, the Romanian rite and the Syro-Malankara rite each has a Church. You can find all of the information in the directories on the page I linked above. I believe that the best option is to stay as close as one can to the legitimate successors of the Apostles, authorized pastors and canonically erected churches, which are currently only found for the most part in the Eastern rites. IMO, that is where one should go, if a good church can be found, as these bishops and priests have the mission given to them by God to use their holy orders, to preach, hear confessions, etc. I also would urge you to read the disclaimer posted above every directory before going to eastern rite churches. Some of them are no longer safe places to go and are infected, while many others are still fine.
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Post by Clotilde on Feb 24, 2018 14:56:05 GMT -5
I honestly think your best bet is the Ukrainian rite. Second best SSPX. The Ukrainians are pretty consistently good, and the SSPX is fairly consistent as well. What I mean is that I can generally recommend them because they are the same everywhere, I don't expect anything weird to happen to me or anyone I would send to those places.
Those " in communion" with the current occupants of Vatican City have all be ordained by bishops who were consecrated in the doubtful new rite of Episcopal consecration. The new rite has some serious objections. I would stay away.
Even though I hold the sedevacantist position, I would recommend first the Ukrainian church, and second the SSPX. I cannot give any recommendations towards the others as I do not know enough about them or I know enough to avoid them. I do have to say that while I had reasonable degree of respect for Bp. McKenna, many ordinations and episcopal consecrations he has done have taken a bad direction. I think he realized that towards the end of his life. I urge extreme caution.
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Post by maxim on Feb 24, 2018 18:11:17 GMT -5
Isnt the sspx Priory una cum? www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/6ol599/is_sspx_in_communion_with_rome_am_i_committing_a/?st=je1ytc01&sh=8fa3a1e2en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canonical_situation_of_the_Society_of_St._Pius_XI'm not really sure, this seems to be a complicated situation. The primary suggestion I would have is try to stay away from the FSSP if possible. Their priests are ordained by novus ordo bishops... I see, I liked the homilies from the youtube channel Sensus Fidelium so that's a shame Keep fighting the fight and may God bless you! As to you! I would urge you to avoid all traditionalist groups in union with Rome. They all use the bishops who were consecrated with the questionable 1968 new rite for their ordinations. Even though many of these men clearly have the Faith and love the Faith, sadly, the problem with their orders is the main issue, and for me I would not ever go to them for the sacraments. Duly noted I put up directories of Eastern rite Catholic Churches HERE
There are many eastern rite options in Chicago in the Chicago area. The Ukrainian rite has four churches in Chicago, the Romanian rite and the Syro-Malankara rite each has a Church. You can find all of the information in the directories on the page I linked above. I believe that the best option is to stay as close as one can to the legitimate successors of the Apostles, authorized pastors and canonically erected churches, which are currently only found for the most part in the Eastern rites. IMO, that is where one should go, if a good church can be found, as these bishops and priests have the mission given to them by God to use their holy orders, to preach, hear confessions, etc. I also would urge you to read the disclaimer posted above every directory before going to eastern rite churches. Some of them are no longer safe places to go and are infected, while many others are still fine. I'm a little confused as to the situation of the Byzantine churches; do they reject Francis or not? Also I come from a Serbian Orthodox background so is there much difference between the liturgies of the two traditions? Do they speak in Old Church Slavonic? I honestly think your best bet is the Ukrainian rite. Second best SSPX. I may just go to a Ukrainian church then, hopefully one that isn't so ethnicized ---- What do you all think of the Thuc line of bishops? Also what's your opinion on E. Michael Jones and his ebook on Francis's background?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Feb 24, 2018 18:17:37 GMT -5
The ukrainian parishes that offer the DL in english are generally less likly to be xenophobic to non ukrainians. But no matter in all true Ukrainians get special treatment. But that is a minor issue. Church slavonic is only used rarely in America for a whole DL...but it is used in small specific times and services and ejaculations.
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Post by Pacelli on Feb 24, 2018 18:37:59 GMT -5
Maxim wrote:
The Catholic Byzantines accept Francis claim to be Pope. So, if you go there, just realize that in advance. Unfortunately, their acceptance to the Vatican II papal claimants puts them in grave danger of adopting the heresy and doctrinal error taught by these men.
From what forum member Wenceslav has seen and posted about serious problems at his Ukraine rite parish and others, I would urge you to read the disclaimer I posted, and check out the parishes in your area first. The parish that I go to and others that I familiar with have good priests, but just be aware that the enemy is targeting the eastern rites and wants to overrun them. They are the last refuge of hierarchical Catholicism, with functioning dioceses, canonical parishes, and pastors and priests with a mission from the Church. They are under attack, and sadly the faithful Catholics in these eastern rites don’t even seem to have a clue about any of this.
Maxim wrote:
I think some of them are certainly valid, I am not sure about many others. None of them have any lawful commission from the Church, they all lack an office and by that jurisdiction.
Maxim wrote:
I haven’t read it.
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Post by maxim on Feb 24, 2018 18:54:29 GMT -5
The Catholic Byzantines accept Francis claim to be Pope. So, if you go there, just realize that in advance. Unfortunately, their acceptance to the Vatican II papal claimants puts them in grave danger of adopting the heresy and doctrinal error taught by these men. From what forum member Wenceslav has seen and posted about serious problems at his Ukraine rite parish and others, I would urge you to read the disclaimer I posted, and check out the parishes in your area first. The parish that I go to and others that I familiar with have good priests, but just be aware that the enemy is targeting the eastern rites and wants to overrun them. They are the last refuge of hierarchical Catholicism, with functioning dioceses, canonical parishes, and pastors and priests with a mission from the Church. They are under attack, and sadly the faithful Catholics in these eastern rites don’t even seem to have a clue about any of this. I see, what a shame. (VOXX ADMIN EDIT/removed content) www.amazon.com/Pope-Francis-Context-Arrived-Buenos-ebook/dp/B0721KX2BV#customerReviewsThe ukrainian parishes that offer the DL in english are generally less likly to be xenophobic to non ukrainians. I'm a former "Orthodox" so I'll have to be extra careful :/
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Feb 25, 2018 0:09:31 GMT -5
Welcome, Maxim.
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Post by Clotilde on Feb 25, 2018 1:44:08 GMT -5
Regarding Thuc, and not getting into other issues, clear, easy-to-follow lines only, like CMRI.
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Post by Clotilde on Feb 25, 2018 1:48:10 GMT -5
I don't mind the ethnic pride stuff, I'm happy for them and I understand where they are coming from. Unless they want me to eat borscht or sauerkraut.
I've seen both sides of the coin and there are cultural/ethnic issues in the Roman rite that would likely intimidate an Easterner as well.
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Post by Barbara on Feb 25, 2018 9:57:06 GMT -5
It's no wonder you're suffering from choice paralysis; that's quite a smorgasbord.
I'd stay away from the ones at the beginning and check out the 3 sedevacantist ones, other than the SSPV. Do your homework first, though; I have no knowledge of them.
With the SSPX I would find out who the priest is and by whom he was ordained. As has been said, they are allowing new rite priests to officiate at their Mass centers without being conditionally reordained.
I have no experience with the Eastern Rites, so cannot comment there.
It probably will take awhile to find the right place for you, and you would be wise to have a back up place as well.
Work on increasing your knowledge and love of the Blessed Virgin Mary, regardless of what you decide.
God bless you.
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