Post by Pacelli on May 15, 2016 8:34:57 GMT -5
It is rare that I read a high quality post that is both succinct and is perfectly in line with how a good Catholic correctly thinks about the laws of the Church. Most of the analysis that I come across regarding the lawful changes to the Masss, the Pius XII reforms which were continued in the same spirit by John XXIII are rooted in a prideful spirit of disobedience.
This poster, "Franciscan Solitary," has captured the point, and I am posting it here so that this magnificent post will not get buried into the dustbin of message board obscurity:
This poster, "Franciscan Solitary," has captured the point, and I am posting it here so that this magnificent post will not get buried into the dustbin of message board obscurity:
Bishop Dolan bears an uncomfortable resemblance to the infamous Bishop-in-waiting Fr. Pfeiffer of Boston, Kentucky. Neither of them are reliable sources and both of them are surrounded by the overripe stench of the Jansenist heresy that serves their greed and false pride all too well. Best not to follow them there and leave them alone to croak like abandoned frogs in their tiny little sectarian mud puddles.
The Missal of 1962 and Breviary of 1961 embody the liturgical ideal of the saintly Pope Pius XII. He in turn was the true heir and disciple of the saintly Pope Pius IX and St. Pope Pius X. We should therefore expect that the liturgy as it stood in 1963 and 1964 had its own very high excellence and the most powerful religious reasons for being exactly as it was and still is. The underlying logic of our contemporary approved Latin liturgy is that the gaps between the Catholic Second and Third Estates (our military nobles and civilian commoners) had practically ceased to exist and the social and personal differences between the Catholic clergy (our First Estate) and the Catholic laity (our practically merged Second and Third Estates) had greatly lessened in comparison with the generations of Catholics from before the Twentieth Century. And in consequence the religious and moral gap between the Catholics and non-Catholics had dramatically increased in corresponding measure.
Therefore the Roman liturgy that would conform with the high ideals of Cardinal Pie and St. Pope Pius X would be easily usable by the Catholic laity and not require such advanced liturgical knowledge that only monasteries and secular clergy would be reasonably able to follow the Roman liturgy with propriety as had been the situation before the liturgy of Pope Pius XII was promulgated by Pope Pius XII's successor, Pope John XXIII.
When we reject the legitimate authority of the Popes before Paul VI we lack any objective basis for our Roman discipline and obedience and quickly fall into Jansenist errors or worse. In general, at present the sedevacantists are Jansenists and the Novus Ordo proper are Neo-Liberal Marxist Anabaptists. Neither are often anything like faithful historic Roman Catholics; those who actually do have the normal mainstream Catholic sense from before Vatican Two (something that this writer is old enough to remember clearly) are characterised by nothing so much as precisely the celebration together of the liturgy (both Missal and Breviary) of Pope Pius XII as finally proclaimed by his successor Pope John XXIII in 1961 and 1962.
In this history the hapless Italian Futurist and Ultra-Fascist fanatic Archbishop Bugnini is relatively insignificant, merely one more empty cipher in the Roman bureaucracy among countless others. He simply did whatever he was told to do and did it exceedingly well. His later heroic diplomatic service in Iran was nothing less than sterling. Bugnini always did as he was told like some unstoppable sorcerer's apprentice straight from the turbulent heart of the old Italian Fascist Party. For good and ill, he was a man of his time with a vengeance. Paul VI is personally responsible for the Novus Ordo, and no one else.
Also, passing judgement on the liturgy of Pope Pius XII presupposes some considerable knowledge of the civilisational trends of the actual historic Roman Catholicism of the past two and more centuries. Readers who have no clue why Novalis and the Congress of Vienna, Wagner and the reign of Napoleon III or the fervent Wagnerianism of the Catholic elite during the first three-quarters of the Twentieth Century would be relevant to this topic should have the sober good sense to leave well enough alone. The belief that we know better concerning the Roman Catholic liturgy than legitimate Catholic Popes such as Pius XII and John XXIII is terribly likely to be little more than pompous Jansenist presumption that leads us directly into the everlasting bitter freezing cold of the Outer Darkness.
The horrible examples of Bishop Dolan and Bishop-in-waiting Fr. Pfeiffer should tell us this with deafening horns blaring and lurid neon signs flashing.
We Catholics who have been privileged to share in the celebration of the approved Roman liturgy first established by the saintly Pope Pius XII and then quickly promulgated by his Papal successor are the last best hope of the surviving human race, such as we are. We have been given much and much is expected from us. Archbishop Lefebvre knew what he was doing and we had best follow his saintly example, because the legitimate liturgy of Popes Pius XII and John XXIII is the greatest fruit that the Archbishop's innumerable holy deeds have miraculously secured for us.
The inconceivably heroic dry martyrdom of Archbishop Lefebvre has won the legitimate Latin Mass of 1962 for the ferociously persecuted faithful Roman Catholics. We cast aspersions against the approved liturgy of the infallible Church of Rome using heretical Jansenist false pride and narrow-minded rationalism at our own risk.
Best not to go there!
(Franciscan Solitary, 5/14/16, CI Forum)
The Missal of 1962 and Breviary of 1961 embody the liturgical ideal of the saintly Pope Pius XII. He in turn was the true heir and disciple of the saintly Pope Pius IX and St. Pope Pius X. We should therefore expect that the liturgy as it stood in 1963 and 1964 had its own very high excellence and the most powerful religious reasons for being exactly as it was and still is. The underlying logic of our contemporary approved Latin liturgy is that the gaps between the Catholic Second and Third Estates (our military nobles and civilian commoners) had practically ceased to exist and the social and personal differences between the Catholic clergy (our First Estate) and the Catholic laity (our practically merged Second and Third Estates) had greatly lessened in comparison with the generations of Catholics from before the Twentieth Century. And in consequence the religious and moral gap between the Catholics and non-Catholics had dramatically increased in corresponding measure.
Therefore the Roman liturgy that would conform with the high ideals of Cardinal Pie and St. Pope Pius X would be easily usable by the Catholic laity and not require such advanced liturgical knowledge that only monasteries and secular clergy would be reasonably able to follow the Roman liturgy with propriety as had been the situation before the liturgy of Pope Pius XII was promulgated by Pope Pius XII's successor, Pope John XXIII.
When we reject the legitimate authority of the Popes before Paul VI we lack any objective basis for our Roman discipline and obedience and quickly fall into Jansenist errors or worse. In general, at present the sedevacantists are Jansenists and the Novus Ordo proper are Neo-Liberal Marxist Anabaptists. Neither are often anything like faithful historic Roman Catholics; those who actually do have the normal mainstream Catholic sense from before Vatican Two (something that this writer is old enough to remember clearly) are characterised by nothing so much as precisely the celebration together of the liturgy (both Missal and Breviary) of Pope Pius XII as finally proclaimed by his successor Pope John XXIII in 1961 and 1962.
In this history the hapless Italian Futurist and Ultra-Fascist fanatic Archbishop Bugnini is relatively insignificant, merely one more empty cipher in the Roman bureaucracy among countless others. He simply did whatever he was told to do and did it exceedingly well. His later heroic diplomatic service in Iran was nothing less than sterling. Bugnini always did as he was told like some unstoppable sorcerer's apprentice straight from the turbulent heart of the old Italian Fascist Party. For good and ill, he was a man of his time with a vengeance. Paul VI is personally responsible for the Novus Ordo, and no one else.
Also, passing judgement on the liturgy of Pope Pius XII presupposes some considerable knowledge of the civilisational trends of the actual historic Roman Catholicism of the past two and more centuries. Readers who have no clue why Novalis and the Congress of Vienna, Wagner and the reign of Napoleon III or the fervent Wagnerianism of the Catholic elite during the first three-quarters of the Twentieth Century would be relevant to this topic should have the sober good sense to leave well enough alone. The belief that we know better concerning the Roman Catholic liturgy than legitimate Catholic Popes such as Pius XII and John XXIII is terribly likely to be little more than pompous Jansenist presumption that leads us directly into the everlasting bitter freezing cold of the Outer Darkness.
The horrible examples of Bishop Dolan and Bishop-in-waiting Fr. Pfeiffer should tell us this with deafening horns blaring and lurid neon signs flashing.
We Catholics who have been privileged to share in the celebration of the approved Roman liturgy first established by the saintly Pope Pius XII and then quickly promulgated by his Papal successor are the last best hope of the surviving human race, such as we are. We have been given much and much is expected from us. Archbishop Lefebvre knew what he was doing and we had best follow his saintly example, because the legitimate liturgy of Popes Pius XII and John XXIII is the greatest fruit that the Archbishop's innumerable holy deeds have miraculously secured for us.
The inconceivably heroic dry martyrdom of Archbishop Lefebvre has won the legitimate Latin Mass of 1962 for the ferociously persecuted faithful Roman Catholics. We cast aspersions against the approved liturgy of the infallible Church of Rome using heretical Jansenist false pride and narrow-minded rationalism at our own risk.
Best not to go there!
(Franciscan Solitary, 5/14/16, CI Forum)