Post by anthonyabhilesh on Apr 13, 2024 3:40:41 GMT -5
In the recent bulletin of SGG , Bp McGuire has said this comparing the Novus Ordo to the SSPX , using the case of St Hermenegild. I am thinking of writing a good reply to Bp McGuire and posting it on my FB. I like to know what all of you think about Bp McGuire's NUCism and St Hermenegild. What I learned was that by the time St Hermenegild was offered holy communion from an Arian Bishop, Arians were declared heretics . Bp McGuire again ignores the difference between declared and undeclared heretics. Here is what he has said in his bulletin .
" ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐๐ฒ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ญ. ๐๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐๐ ๐ข๐ฅ๐, ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐ซ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐๐ง ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฉ. ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ข๐ง๐ญ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐. ๐๐ก๐ฒ, ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐ฌ๐ค, ๐ฐ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐ข๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ? ๐๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ. ๐๐ก๐๐ง ๐ฐ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ, ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ. ๐๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐, ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ. ๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฉ, ๐ก๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ญ. ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญ ๐๐ญ. ๐๐๐ซ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ซ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐. ๐๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐จ๐จ๐ค๐ฌ, ๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐๐ซ๐ฏ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ก, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ญ (๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐จ). ๐๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ณ๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก
๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐, ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฉ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐จ. ๐๐ก๐๐ฒ (๐๐ฌ ๐๐ง ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐๐ง๐ข๐ณ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง) ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐จ, ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ง๐๐,๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ณ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก. ๐๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ฑ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ญ.๐๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐๐ ๐ข๐ฅ๐. ๐๐จ ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ๐ฐ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐๐ข๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ."
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" ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐๐๐ญ๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐๐ฒ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ญ. ๐๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐๐ ๐ข๐ฅ๐, ๐ฐ๐ก๐จ ๐ซ๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐๐ง ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฉ. ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฌ๐๐ข๐ง๐ญ ๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐๐. ๐๐ก๐ฒ, ๐ฒ๐จ๐ฎ ๐๐ฌ๐ค, ๐ฐ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ญ ๐ฌ๐จ ๐ข๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐ข๐ฆ ๐ญ๐จ ๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ? ๐๐๐๐๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐ฎ๐๐ก๐๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ ๐ฌ๐ข๐ ๐ง ๐จ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ. ๐๐ก๐๐ง ๐ฐ๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ, ๐๐ง๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก ๐๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐ง๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ. ๐๐ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐, ๐ฐ๐ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ฆ๐๐๐ซ๐ฌ. ๐๐๐ ๐ก๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ซ๐ข๐๐ง ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฉ, ๐ก๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐ฌ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ๐ง ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐ญ๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ญ. ๐๐ก๐ข๐ฌ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ซ๐๐๐ฌ๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ฒ ๐ฐ๐ ๐ก๐๐ซ๐ ๐๐ญ ๐๐ญ. ๐๐๐ซ๐ญ๐ซ๐ฎ๐๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐๐ญ ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ ๐ฏ๐๐ซ๐ฒ ๐๐ข๐ซ๐ฆ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ญ ๐จ๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ง๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ซ ๐ซ๐๐๐๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐๐จ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐. ๐๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ญ๐ญ๐๐ซ ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐๐ข๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐จ๐จ๐ค๐ฌ, ๐จ๐ซ ๐ก๐จ๐ฐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐ฌ๐๐ซ๐ฏ๐๐ญ๐ข๐ฏ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ข๐ซ ๐ฏ๐ข๐๐ฐ๐ฌ ๐จ๐ง ๐จ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ซ ๐ช๐ฎ๐๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ ๐จ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐๐ข๐ญ๐ก, ๐ญ๐ก๐๐ฒ ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐ฎ๐ง๐ข๐จ๐ง ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก ๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฌ๐ ๐ฌ๐๐๐ญ (๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐จ). ๐๐จ ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐ฉ๐๐จ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ซ๐๐ญ๐๐ซ๐ง๐ข๐ณ๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก
๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐, ๐๐ฎ๐ญ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐ ๐ซ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฉ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ฃ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ง๐ข๐ฆ๐ข๐๐๐ฅ ๐๐ฌ ๐ข๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐จ. ๐๐ก๐๐ฒ (๐๐ฌ ๐๐ง ๐จ๐ซ๐ ๐๐ง๐ข๐ณ๐๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง) ๐๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐๐ฌ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐จ๐ฏ๐ฎ๐ฌ ๐๐ซ๐๐จ, ๐จ๐ฎ๐ ๐ก๐ญ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ ๐๐ข๐ฌ๐๐๐ง๐๐๐ ๐๐ง๐ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐๐ฆ๐ง๐๐,๐ง๐จ๐ญ ๐ฌ๐ฒ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐๐ญ๐ก๐ข๐ณ๐๐ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ญ๐ก. ๐๐ ๐ก๐๐ฏ๐ ๐จ๐ฎ๐ซ ๐๐ฑ๐๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฅ๐ ๐ข๐ง ๐๐ญ.๐๐๐ซ๐ฆ๐๐ง๐๐ ๐ข๐ฅ๐. ๐๐จ ๐๐๐ญ ๐๐ง๐ฒ ๐๐ข๐๐๐๐ซ๐๐ง๐ญ๐ฅ๐ฒ ๐ญ๐จ๐ฐ๐๐ซ๐ ๐ญ๐ก๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ฐ๐จ๐ฎ๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ซ๐จ๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ ๐๐๐ญ๐ก๐จ๐ฅ๐ข๐ ๐ฉ๐ซ๐ข๐ง๐๐ข๐ฉ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ."
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