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Post by anthonyabhilesh on Jan 20, 2024 1:14:45 GMT -5
Laudetur Iesus Christus +
Greetings everyone. I want to hear more about Fr Cekada.
Fr Cekada's articles played an important role in my embrace of Sedevacantism. I turn to his articles when I have doubts.
I read some threads and there Fr Cekada has been accused of lying, professing heretical ideas etc. If this is the case , who can I believe? I have a VERY scrupulous conscience and this is so disturbing for me .
I need to hear your thoughts on Fr Cekada. Who should I trust and not trust? I'm confused and losing my heart because of all this. That said, I do not accept his position on Una Cum ,but I've been hearing that Fr C had embraced heretical ideas about apostolic succession etc. If that's the case,how am I supposed to trust him?
I'm really confused. I fear I might leave sedevacantism and return to R & R .
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Post by Pacelli on Jan 20, 2024 6:23:47 GMT -5
Laudetur Iesus Christus + Greetings everyone. I want to hear more about Fr Cekada. Fr Cekada's articles played an important role in my embrace of Sedevacantism. I turn to his articles when I have doubts. I read some threads and there Fr Cekada has been accused of lying, professing heretical ideas etc. If this is the case , who can I believe? I have a VERY scrupulous conscience and this is so disturbing for me . I need to hear your thoughts on Fr Cekada. Who should I trust and not trust? I'm confused and losing my heart because of all this. That said, I do not accept his position on Una Cum ,but I've been hearing that Fr C had embraced heretical ideas about apostolic succession etc. If that's the case,how am I supposed to trust him? I'm really confused. I fear I might leave sedevacantism and return to R & R . Greetings to you as well! Thanks for your comments. Regarding the charge of lying, can you direct me to what you are talking about? I am not aware of a direct accusation of lying being made against Fr. Cekada. There is no doubt that Fr. Cekada professed heretical ideas against the Catholic teaching on the apostolic succession. He said this in public and was publicly corrected. He was provided with sources that stood against his ideas, and did not correct himself or retract. Your duty as a Catholic is to believe the Church. You can identify what the Church teaches by reading pre-Vatican II catechisms, and if you need or want to go deeper, read and study the theological manuals, or other approved books on theology. You can decide for yourself whether you trust the scholarship of Fr. Cekada. I have found significant problems with his use of sources, and have posted about them on here. Our only goal must be the truth, no matter where it leads, and sources must never be used in such a manner that leads the reader to believe something different or even opposed to the true meaning of the source. Many of these sources are in Latin or other languages and some are not accessible easily, so many Catholics are at the mercy of those presenting these sources that: 1. The texts are translated correctly 2. The texts are presented in the context of what they actually mean, and key portions of the text are not left out, causing the reader to believe that the source says something that it does not say. 3. All relevant parts of the quotes from the texts are included so as to not mislead the reader, either in the paper or at least in the footnote. 4. That texts are not presented in such a way that they are blended with another text causing the reader to misunderstand that there are two separate texts each meaning different things. A scholar may deliberately deceive his readers by using any of these tactics on purpose to lead the readers to believe things that are not true through a manipulation of sources, or he may be a third rate scholar who produces shoddy work, and did not deliberately do these things, but is just incompetent and over his head. In the latter case, he is essentially the blind leading the blind. For myself, I am not accusing Fr. Cekada of malice in his shoddy work. Whether he deliberately deceived or was just incompetent, his writings have led Catholics astray on many matters, and these serious problems need light shined on them, which is what we are doing here. I am not aware or Fr. Cekada mistranslating any texts, but in the many threads here analyzing his work, you will find that the other three problems, numbers 2-4 have been exposed in his works. One last point, in this crisis, realize that you are not being taught by those commissioned by God through His Church to teach you. It is to these men with this commission that you may be docile, as they are your authorized teachers. In this crisis, with so many men (and women) publicly teaching Catholics, you must not be docile and take what they say on trust alone, and must be rigorous in demanding proofs and challenging what they say. God did not send unauthorized teachers to you. If someone has the gifts to analyze the crisis well, you may want to learn from him, but do not let your guard down, and rigorously check the sources used, the context used, and whether principles are being applied correctly. There is no leaving sedevacantism or joining R&R. These are merely responses to the crisis that we are witnessing and living through. Your duty is to remain in the Catholic Church, profess the true Faith, and work out your salvation by avoiding sin and remaining in the state of grace.
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Post by John Lewis on Jan 20, 2024 22:54:52 GMT -5
Laudetur Iesus Christus + Greetings everyone. I want to hear more about Fr Cekada. Fr Cekada's articles played an important role in my embrace of Sedevacantism. I turn to his articles when I have doubts. I read some threads and there Fr Cekada has been accused of lying, professing heretical ideas etc. If this is the case , who can I believe? I have a VERY scrupulous conscience and this is so disturbing for me . I need to hear your thoughts on Fr Cekada. Who should I trust and not trust? I'm confused and losing my heart because of all this. That said, I do not accept his position on Una Cum ,but I've been hearing that Fr C had embraced heretical ideas about apostolic succession etc. If that's the case,how am I supposed to trust him? I'm really confused. I fear I might leave sedevacantism and return to R & R . I second Pacelli's comments. Trust what the Church taught prior to the crisis and do not go outside the boundaries that she has prescribed in any area of discussion that is still be settled and falls within the category of truth known as opinion. Be humble, charitable and kind and God will reward you with his grace. Some of what Fr Cekada wrote is good and his work on the new Mass is rightly praised by all sides, but we need to judge everything on a case by case basis, considering the known facts and all evidence rather than trying to bend them to our own views of the crisis. Also, pray for confidence in God as this will assist you in overcoming scruples.
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Post by Clotilde on Jan 22, 2024 22:16:27 GMT -5
I understand the difficulty of scruples. However the point of this forum is not to trash Fr Cekada or any particular person. It is to honestly examine their works and discuss them. There are few places online where one can even bring this up in relative peace. It is important to think carefully and critically when approaching a writing of any traditionalist priest or bishop—they do not have any authority and what is more, they have no oversight. We have no diocesan bishop to contact if they stray into their own odd positions.
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