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Post by henri1226 on Jan 3, 2024 23:12:48 GMT -5
Has anyone here gone through the "vetting" process to be received into the Churches served by the priests of the Roman Catholic Insitute (RCI) under the leadership of Bishop Sanborn? By "vetting" process I mean they will investigate whether one's Novus Ordo Baptism and other sacraments such as Matrimony have been validly performed. My question is how are they going to investigate the validity of one's Baptism being validly done especially when there are not witnesses or no video recordings/ photos. Any feedback will be appreciated.
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Post by John Lewis on Jan 3, 2024 23:37:54 GMT -5
It depends on when you were baptised and what documentary evidence is available e.g. baptismal certificate. It wasn't an issue for me because of the timing of my baptism.
Are you considering attending the RCI?
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Post by Pacelli on Jan 4, 2024 8:07:45 GMT -5
Has anyone here gone through the "vetting" process to be received into the Churches served by the priests of the Roman Catholic Insitute (RCI) under the leadership of Bishop Sanborn? By "vetting" process I mean they will investigate whether one's Novus Ordo Baptism and other sacraments such as Matrimony have been validly performed. My question is how are they going to investigate the validity of one's Baptism being validly done especially when there are not witnesses or no video recordings/ photos. Any feedback will be appreciated. I'm not familiar with their process, but I could make a reasonable guess in regards to baptism: 1. They would want statements from witnesses, including the person being baptized if it was an adult baptism. 2. They would want video footage or photos, most importantly of the form being correctly used, if there is audio and the three ablutions of the water being poured, and whether the water actually reached the forehead or not. 3. They may seek to find out if the priest who baptized has a reputation for not using the Catholic rite by deviating from it, or is known to be careless with the sacraments. If there are no videos or photos and no one can remember the details, they won't have much to go on. Regarding Matrimony, most likely it will follow a similar procedure. This is the first I've heard of marriages now being investigated. One last point, it's good to keep in mind that RCI, like other similar groups are not lawful pastors under a jurisdictional bishop. They have no authority. Any opinion they form about the validity of one's baptism or matrimony, is just that, their opinion. Their opinion doesn't bind one to do anything. If you do submit to an investigation, you may not agree with their conclusion either way, whether they say the baptism is valid, invalid, or doubtfully valid. They cannot bind you to accept their opinion on the matter. If you are not sure yourself, seek advice from someone competent to help you work through it, but always remember, it's advice you are in need of, as you cannot at present get any authoritative determination on your case.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 4, 2024 12:42:03 GMT -5
They have no right or authority to vet anyone. Dont go there
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 4, 2024 12:44:06 GMT -5
Someone should vet sanborns activitys in the early days of the trad struggle...I have on good authority he was involved in hamstringing other trad priests and charging confiscatory amounts to say mass
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 4, 2024 12:45:37 GMT -5
And didnt he come through a modernist seminary...or at least one connected to a councillary " pope"
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Post by Freda on Jan 4, 2024 16:39:57 GMT -5
The word investigating is troubling here as this implies authority. Bishop Sanborn and co tell you that they have no authority and then start "investigating marriages" We were also informed that they had functional authority.🤡 We decided to have a spiritual director for a group we had set up and were informed that we had to ask Bishop Sanborn's permission.I could go on. We must keep it clear in our minds that they have no authority. It was very refreshing to read this on a post on this forum.
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Post by John Lewis on Jan 4, 2024 19:02:56 GMT -5
From my experience working for an RCI-affiliated apostolate, associating with laypersons affiliated with their organisation and my knowledge of Catholic teaching, I would describe the RCI as an undeclared sect which rejects the approved liturgy of the Church, holds some heretical beliefs (though they may not be culpable for this) and behaves uncharitably to all those who disagree with them on matters that fall with the level of opinion when compared to the levels of truth as described by the Catholic Church considering them non-Catholic, when it is their own attitude towards such persons that is non-Catholic. Their no Una Cum policy is based upon smoke and mirrors, not sound Catholic teaching. I would suggest that if you have other options henri1226 you should consider those alternatives first.
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Post by John Lewis on Jan 4, 2024 19:06:12 GMT -5
And didnt he come through a modernist seminary...or at least one connected to a councillary " pope" He went to the SSPX seminary in Écône Voxx.
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Post by RitaMarita on Jan 5, 2024 7:12:27 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for the RCI and what they are trying to do but I don't agree with their strict rules about the "non una cuм". Interestingly... I was doing some research about Archbishop Thuc yesterday and came across an article by Bishop Guerard des Lauriers where he specifically mentions the "Una cuм" issue (the RCI claims him as one of their highest models): "Those who submerge every doctrinal norm under the satanic slogan "we must change nothing" are not authentic witnesses to the Faith. Nor are those who flock to every location where the traditional form of worship is established in order to recruit partisans; who attack those who, because they have no alternatives, assist at a Mass which is said "una cuм Wojtyla" and declare that such are guilty of sacrilege - at least objectively, and who then, in one way or another, induce said partisans who become fanatically faithful followers to nourish attitudes of duplicity in themselves every time they participate in the most sacred of realities. Such sectarians are not authentic witnesses to the Faith because they are not pure reflections of the Witness who is the Truth (John XIV)" web.archive.org/web/20080305062917/http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.html
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Post by John Lewis on Jan 5, 2024 17:39:00 GMT -5
I have a lot of respect for the RCI and what they are trying to do but I don't agree with their strict rules about the "non una cuм". Interestingly... I was doing some research about Archbishop Thuc yesterday and came across an article by Bishop Guerard des Lauriers where he specifically mentions the "Una cuм" issue (the RCI claims him as one of their highest models): "Those who submerge every doctrinal norm under the satanic slogan "we must change nothing" are not authentic witnesses to the Faith. Nor are those who flock to every location where the traditional form of worship is established in order to recruit partisans; who attack those who, because they have no alternatives, assist at a Mass which is said "una cuм Wojtyla" and declare that such are guilty of sacrilege - at least objectively, and who then, in one way or another, induce said partisans who become fanatically faithful followers to nourish attitudes of duplicity in themselves every time they participate in the most sacred of realities. Such sectarians are not authentic witnesses to the Faith because they are not pure reflections of the Witness who is the Truth (John XIV)" web.archive.org/web/20080305062917/http://catholic.shrineofsaintjude.net/homec081.htmlThis is worthy of a thread of it's own, if you could quote the full text and create one @ritamarita. I have a respect for what the RCI are trying to do, but they are going the wrong way about it and each year slowly move further away from the truth. Without the Faith we cannot please God and their version of the reality of the crisis doesn't fit with Catholic teaching 🤷
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 5, 2024 22:33:57 GMT -5
And didnt he come through a modernist seminary...or at least one connected to a councillary " pope" He went to the SSPX seminary in Écône Voxx. Right and he considers them modernists...you make my point
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Post by alyosha on Jan 11, 2024 20:24:51 GMT -5
What are the main problems that you have with the RCI John?
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Post by John Lewis on Jan 12, 2024 22:29:44 GMT -5
What are the main problems that you have with the RCI John? 1. No Una Cum nonsense (see the entire subforum refuting this false position) 2. Failure to follow the Pius XII liturgical reforms for Holy Week using Bugnini's claim that he was heavily involved with them (not actually true according to people involved in the reform) and that they were the first step in the reforms that ended with the Paul VI destruction of the Mass and it's replacement with a Protestant memorial service (Bugnini might want to assert this to link the former legitimate changes made by a true Pope with the then recent reform). 3. Attempt to bind others on a dogmatic sededeprivationist position that only exists because they deny de fide teaching on Apostolic Succession and the College of Bishops, which is a new heresy. 4. General attitude of contempt for all Catholics who don't share their viewpoints. 5. Attempt to establish an authority outside of official Church authorities in the RCI organisation.
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Post by alyosha on Jan 13, 2024 5:09:35 GMT -5
John Lewis Thats interesting, I didn’t know they rejected the reforms by Pius XII. But what is this that you said about sedeprivationism, you think it is a heresy?
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