John Lewis
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Post by John Lewis on Dec 28, 2023 14:20:15 GMT -5
I'd like to put together an FAQ/list of questions that one might ask your local Rite Priest/Bishop to see whether it is possible/prudent to attend services/receive instruction there. I'd really appreciate input from someone who attends an Eastern Rite like Pacelli. I want to do everything I can to be a good Catholic and if this means not attending the SSPX and attending an Eastern Rite instead then this is what I'll do.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 28, 2023 14:58:56 GMT -5
Well as an eastern rite by birth Ive seen the good and the bad. Frankly you wont have to ask if you just attend a few liturgys.
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Post by John Lewis on Dec 28, 2023 16:25:40 GMT -5
Well as an eastern rite by birth Ive seen the good and the bad. Frankly you wont have to ask if you just attend a few liturgies Great, which Rite were you born into and what should I be looking for there? I have nearby the Melkite Rite, Syro-malabar and Chaldean.
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Post by Pacelli on Dec 28, 2023 18:08:23 GMT -5
I'd like to put together an FAQ/list of questions that one might ask your local Rite Priest/Bishop to see whether it is possible/prudent to attend services/receive instruction there. I'd really appreciate input from someone who attends an Eastern Rite like Pacelli . I want to do everything I can to be a good Catholic and if this means not attending the SSPX and attending an Eastern Rite instead then this is what I'll do. I wrote this post back in 2017 giving advice on this very matter: tradcath.proboards.com/thread/742/disclaimer-advice-regarding-eastern-parishesLearn what you can from the internet first, go their parish Facebook page or website and read as much as you can. That alone will give you a good idea of what the situation is there. This will also save you valuable time in knowing if a Church isn't worth it to go to in the first place. I would not go to any traditional chapel or eastern rite Church to receive instruction. Use pre-Vatican II catechisms for this, and if you need more, use theology manuals, or other solid writings on specific topics. There are very few traditional priests I trust to give very good thoughtful advice or theological guidance. The traditional priests often get things wrong, and the eastern rite priests, even the good ones that have kept the Faith are sub par theologically, in my opinion. I'm not picking on the eastern priests, btw, but it's my observation of them over the course of decades, so I've had a long time to observe. They tend to be simple in their grasp of the Faith, and that's fine, so long as they keep the Faith. I don't see why you wouldn't just keep going to SSPX. You will get the valid sacraments there, and they have kept the Faith. I realize they get things wrong, but they explicitly deny they have jurisdiction, so they are not binding you to agree with any of their opinions on the crisis, so it's a good place to go for someone who holds the sedevacantist position, in my opinion. If they give their ideas on the crisis that you don't agree with, just peacefully and politely agree to disagree. The reason you go there is to get to mass, receive the graces of the mass, and most importantly to receive Holy Communion which is so essential in our times. The only serious issue that comes up at times is that they take crossover priests with questionable Paul VI orders. Years ago, I had to give up going to my local SSPX chapel that I was very happy with over this issue, actually. It happened to me two times with SSPX ,when they sent one priest with questionable orders, and I and many others stopped going, and then we had many other priests in the interim with no problems at all, and then they did it again with another questionable priest, and I stopped going again. I know many go to SSPX and this never happens, so like so many things these days, it's hit or miss. This is a big problem with SSPX, and it puts Catholics in a tough situation to always be on guard if a new or unfamiliar priest shows up. Regarding the eastern rites in your area, either way, I would check them out, and you may find a second good place to go to mass in addition to the SSPX. The more places you find the better. Also, it's good to have more places for confession as well. I second the advice Voxx gave you and you don't need to ask questions, you will know fairly quickly just by your silent observation if the Parish and priest are good or not. If the priest is a heretic, run away. If you're not sure, keep observing until you figure it out. If the priest is good, you will also soon see that and you will be blessed to have found a good priest in these crazy times. Either way, it shouldn't take too much time to get clarity on the matter, especially these days when heretics and modernists are very open and explicit about their beliefs.
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Post by John Lewis on Dec 29, 2023 18:07:27 GMT -5
Yes, just reading about the actions of the Caldean Patriach, he seems to be an ecumenical maniac...
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 29, 2023 18:28:46 GMT -5
Im Ruthenan Byzantine and altrnate between them and Ukrainians for the Liturgies which are practically identical...I find the Ukrainians more shabby in their praxis than the Ruthenians and in myarea cowtow to women... their people more sincere overall however. Ukrainan sermons when not talking about Ukraine tend to be more solid. The Ruthenian priests sermons are either sappy emotional or secular psycholigical. Ruthenian Liturgies are more beautiful and and more solid in praxis...but also simp to the orthoducks. SO yeah its a mixed bag
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Post by Pacelli on Dec 29, 2023 19:42:08 GMT -5
Yes, just reading about the actions of the Caldean Patriach, he seems to be an ecumenical maniac... From my readings the Chaldeans seem to have gone off the deep end, even using altar girls. Always keep in mind that each priest is their own man though, and the actions of their Patriarch may be far different than the actions of a priest. It's still worth checking out at the local level.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 29, 2023 19:52:33 GMT -5
The Ukranians in shamokin had altar girls...and the Ukranians are using female " cantors" and lectors. ( Ruthenians have too
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