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Post by Pacelli on Oct 8, 2023 12:28:44 GMT -5
The following, "Scratch That: How Salza & Siscoe misrepresent Fr. Laymann in their Crusade against Sedevacantism," was published by Novus Ordo Watch, January 7, 2022. (Comment: This is first rate research by Novus Ordo Watch and they should be commended. It takes a lot of time to dig through sources, especially untranslated sources, and like the SD poster Nazianzen who also exposed the shoddy research and writing methods used by Mr. Siscoe and Mr. Salza, this article also demonstrates this. If anyone has been influenced by the writings of these men, this is a must read, as it is direct evidence that their research is at best shoddy, and at worst, blatantly deceptive. By the way, on another matter, a recent member of this forum who left, gave a source which stated that the acts of popes would not be supplied by the Church, as acts of the Popes would come directly from Christ. On this point, if this is accurate, Fr. Laymann solves this difficulty by explaining that Our Lord would directly supply such acts to the man regarded as Pope, so whether the act is supplied directly by the Church or by Our Lord Himself, it's still being supplied through one avenue or the other, and the difficulty is resolved.) Link to article HERE
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Post by John Lewis on Oct 8, 2023 14:59:30 GMT -5
I wonder whether it would be prudent to caution others against the writings of Mr Stephen Speray cited as a source in this article.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 8, 2023 15:07:40 GMT -5
I wonder whether it would be prudent to caution others against the writings of Mr Stephen Speray cited as a source in this article. I don't really see how he contributed to this, but due to his recent post espousing heresy against the Catholic Faith, unless and until he recants and corrects this, I urge all Catholics to avoid him and his writings. He is now directly at odds with the Faith and should be treated as such.
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Post by John Lewis on Oct 8, 2023 17:18:30 GMT -5
I wonder whether it would be prudent to caution others against the writings of Mr Stephen Speray cited as a source in this article. I don't really see how he contributed to this, but due to his recent post espousing heresy against the Catholic Faith, unless and until he recants and corrects this, I urge all Catholics to avoid him and his writings. He is now directly at odds with the Faith and should be treated as such. Mario cites him as the source for some of the text in the article and I believe he links to his website.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 8, 2023 18:37:21 GMT -5
I don't really see how he contributed to this, but due to his recent post espousing heresy against the Catholic Faith, unless and until he recants and corrects this, I urge all Catholics to avoid him and his writings. He is now directly at odds with the Faith and should be treated as such. Mario cites him as the source for some of the text in the article and I believe he links to his website. Well, that's fine if he's getting this right. I don't have any personal problem with him, and prior to his denial of Catholics doctrine recently, I had no problem with his website. Obviously, due to his public denial of the Catholic teaching on the apostolic succession, I want nothing to do with him, but it doesn't mean he was wrong on this matter, in whatever way he helped Mario. I hope for him that he will repent and recant for the sake of his own salvation, and for the damage he is doing to his readers by spreading this heresy, which he is accountable for. The point of this thread is to show that Siscoe and Salza misrepresented Fr. Laymann. I think NOW achieved that in their post, completely and totally. Not only does it prove what it set out to prove, but it also shows that S & S cannot be trusted at all, as this shows shoddy scholarship at a minimum, deception at worst. I hope it's not the latter, but either way, these guys are not worthy of trust by anyone, as either they don't know what their doing, or at worst, are deceiving their readers. Either way, I say run away from such men.
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Post by John Lewis on Oct 10, 2023 0:17:51 GMT -5
I think if there was a pattern of them doing this then it would be a sure sign to avoid them. As with everything, a broken clock is still right twice a day.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 10, 2023 7:35:52 GMT -5
I think if there was a pattern of them doing this then it would be a sure sign to avoid them. As with everything, a broken clock is still right twice a day. Well, let's be clear, there is no problem with NOW who published this. Mario Derksen has not denied any Catholic teaching. At the time of publication of this, Speray had not published the post in question, so no one would have ever known what his ideas were on the apostolic succession, which only became public recently when he published them.
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