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Post by Pacelli on Jul 22, 2023 18:14:11 GMT -5
Based on what you are saying, this sedevacantist chapel has serious issues, and I think you are better off going back to the SSPX, but if I were you, I would also check all eastern rites in your area as well, as other options, even if you don't go there all the time. In my opinion, all valid mass options should be checked out, not just for the mass, but also to find validly ordained priests to confess to as well.
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Post by Clotilde on Jul 23, 2023 13:26:52 GMT -5
As far as the priest, you are better off avoiding him and just going for the sacraments in most cases. Let the other people have him over to dinner and be an echo chamber. If you can get to confession elsewhere, it might not be a bad idea. It really depends on the individual, some SSPX priests are too harsh. Some sede priests’ are also not great.
Coffee hour or even just sticking around after mass will quickly make you dislike everyone. I try to avoid anything of substance so I can continue to think well of people. I find that discussion in writing is more fruitful anyway because you can review what was said and examine it thoroughly. I ignore any sermons that contain sede/trad nonsense like you mention above. You are not required to listen to them and they don’t have the authority to give them.
Bottom line: I’d keep on friendly terms with everyone but go to the location that fits best for you. Whether that is due to distance, schedule, etc. It is a good idea to keep doors open because you never know what will happen at a trad chapel. Sometimes you even find normal people. I recently did.
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Post by Clotilde on Jul 23, 2023 13:30:09 GMT -5
Thanks for this discussion Sebastian. I would agree with Pacelli, consider different options and keep a low profile wherever you go as you may need to switch between options depending on world events. For me the FSSPX was a better option due to the poor training, formation and oversight of the local sede priest who met Fr Cekada’s definition of someone who shouldn’t be supported. If it weren’t for their NUCism they would’ve themselves advised me to go elsewhere but they remained silent in my family’s suffering for many years. Sectarianism is an ugly thing. Most of the sedes in my country attend the society in the absence of a better option and don’t hold sectarian views. They aren’t happy with their position on the crisis though. In some places they make up as much as 1/3 of the faithful and the numbers will likely grow as newcomers don’t believe Francis can be Pope. You are probably right. From the beginning, I started to discuss all kinds of different theological issues with the priest at the sede mass centre. That is all fine as long as you agree with the priest, but once you start noticing that he is wrong on many issues it becomes more of a problem. I discussed the NUC position with him once and it was a very peaceful and good conversation. I still realised the problems though, because trad priests are usually very busy and do not have a lot of time to read into all different matters regarding our situation. They will usually just adopt a position and then it becomes very difficult to change their mind, because they would have to spend all this time reading and investigating. I think this illustrates the precise problem with the unauthorised trad priests. They make an impression of authority on many people (especially trad bishops) and people then treat them as their lawful pastors. When they are wrong though (as most are) this can have bad and even devastating consequences. This leads to the formation of little cults around rhetorically well-versed personalities as if these trad priests could replace the Church. And people get used to it! They get comfortable with their little groups. I believe this is a real danger that shouldn’t be underestimated This is absolutely correct and why “we” need to inform people when it is possible (at a chapel is not usually the right place or time). I think a lot of people are coming around to see that these positions are false, to see that sedes/trad groups are not the Church, and to see the greater good of not adding extra labels—just being Catholics. The last year has been very encouraging.
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