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Post by Didymus on Apr 2, 2023 18:43:21 GMT -5
I would like to know if you know of quotes from some theologians that mention when a person would be exempt from attending Mass. I know that some say (I do not have the appointments) that if the distance is 1 hour or more to attend Mass one would be excused from attending. The obvious objection is whether this is still contemporary, since in this modern world where people travel kilometers for a concert or whatever, would 1 hour be an excuse for not going to mass, when there are many means of mobilization?
In Christ and Holy Mary
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Post by wenceslav on Apr 2, 2023 22:03:05 GMT -5
Hi Thommie, With respect to your first question regarding exemptions from the precept of hearing Mass on a Sunday or Holy day of Obligation, see the quote below ( from THE PRECEPT OF HEARING MASS: A HISTORICAL CONSPECTUS AND COMMENTARY by JOHN JOSEPH GUINIVEN, C.SS.R., 1942 Dissertation, THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA CANON LAW STUDIES) I scanned the book and it can be found at URL: drive.google.com/file/d/1rPylgKTcU4XF2gEy01suiavSH8N4m_aX/view?usp=drivesdkNote that Fr. Guiniven thinks that a drive beyond about 1 1/4 hours would exempt you from the precept of hearing Holy Mass on a Sunday. My SSPX priest also told me about 60 miles or 100 km one way would be a reasonable limit for distance. But as I am sure you know, we must strive for our sanctification by attendance at the Sacrifice of Calvary and the reception of the Sacraments, so (in my opinion) we should attend as much as we can (although technically it would not be sinful to miss a specific Sunday(s)). I also apologize for not answering your private messages. I will get to them when I get a bit more time if that’s ok?
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Post by Didymus on Apr 3, 2023 22:28:39 GMT -5
Hi Thommie, With respect to your first question regarding exemptions from the precept of hearing Mass on a Sunday or Holy day of Obligation, see the quote below ( from THE PRECEPT OF HEARING MASS: A HISTORICAL CONSPECTUS AND COMMENTARY by JOHN JOSEPH GUINIVEN, C.SS.R., 1942 Dissertation, THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA CANON LAW STUDIES) I scanned the book and it can be found at URL: drive.google.com/file/d/1rPylgKTcU4XF2gEy01suiavSH8N4m_aX/view?usp=drivesdkNote that Fr. Guiniven thinks that a drive beyond about 1 1/4 hours would exempt you from the precept of hearing Holy Mass on a Sunday. My SSPX priest also told me about 60 miles or 100 km one way would be a reasonable limit for distance. But as I am sure you know, we must strive for our sanctification by attendance at the Sacrifice of Calvary and the reception of the Sacraments, so (in my opinion) we should attend as much as we can (although technically it would not be sinful to miss a specific Sunday(s)). I also apologize for not answering your private messages. I will get to them when I get a bit more time if that’s ok? God bless you Peter, and thank you very much for the book and the quotes, they will be very helpful, I know a person who is concerned about this matter and I want to share information about the Church and not my ignorant opinion. Don't worry about the messages, when you find time or feel like answering Christ and Mary protect you thommie
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Post by Didymus on Apr 5, 2023 9:25:48 GMT -5
Hi Thommie, With respect to your first question regarding exemptions from the precept of hearing Mass on a Sunday or Holy day of Obligation, see the quote below ( from THE PRECEPT OF HEARING MASS: A HISTORICAL CONSPECTUS AND COMMENTARY by JOHN JOSEPH GUINIVEN, C.SS.R., 1942 Dissertation, THE CATHOLIC UNIVERSITY OF AMERICA CANON LAW STUDIES) I scanned the book and it can be found at URL: drive.google.com/file/d/1rPylgKTcU4XF2gEy01suiavSH8N4m_aX/view?usp=drivesdkNote that Fr. Guiniven thinks that a drive beyond about 1 1/4 hours would exempt you from the precept of hearing Holy Mass on a Sunday. My SSPX priest also told me about 60 miles or 100 km one way would be a reasonable limit for distance. But as I am sure you know, we must strive for our sanctification by attendance at the Sacrifice of Calvary and the reception of the Sacraments, so (in my opinion) we should attend as much as we can (although technically it would not be sinful to miss a specific Sunday(s)). I also apologize for not answering your private messages. I will get to them when I get a bit more time if that’s ok? A question related to the Mass has arisen, for example if someone is a Novus Ordo, and has been a practitioner since he was a child, and has always been in the world of the Church together with parish priests and chapels, etc. This person has confessed in the novus ordo all these years, probably some of these confessions have been valid if they were made with well-ordained old priests, but perhaps the last confessions of these years have been with priests ordained in the new rite, for Por Therefore, they may have been invalidated, however, the person leads an orderly life, and perhaps, being linked to the Novus Ordo, presents some doctrinal errors, for example religious freedom or opinions such as "that the orthodox are also valid and as we". ", but this person does not intend to separate from the Church, therefore he could not be considered a heretic because he simply repeats many slogans or propaganda against the Church and obviously defends who he believes to be the Pope." My question is, one who knows the situation of the Church, would it be good to take him to a mass of the FSSPX? Mainly what has made me wonder is because I would not know the state of this person's soul given his previous confessions with the Novus Ordo priests, therefore could he receive Communion? and perhaps if he is a person who has spent his whole life in the Novus Ordo, I doubt that he wants to confess to the FSSPX again. However, it would be nice to bring him a little closer to the traditional mass, for the sacraments, what attitude is the right one and what should he do? Would there be sacrilege when receiving communion in case the person has confessed some mortal sin but with a novus ordo priest due to ignorance about the validity? Is there mortal sin for him? Or would it be good for him to attend and receive communion anyway? Would he be contributing to some sacrilege or mortal sin by taking another soul to Communion without knowing if his confessions in the novus ordo are valid and perhaps some have been invalidated and therefore perhaps his sins retained?
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Post by marcellusfaber on Apr 24, 2023 17:54:55 GMT -5
Is it not also mentioned in the books that one must also attend Mass in the correct place to fulfil the obligation? Private chapels erected by indult of the Holy See are excluded from the list of places at which one can fulfil one's obligation except for the grantee/grantees of the Indult and their guests. The other conditions are naturally that the Mass must be said by a validly ordained priest using a Catholic rite. Even following the provisions of Ad Evitanda Scandala, I don't see how the majority of Catholics can be bound to attend Mass on Sundays and holy days, for a Mass that fulfils the conditions has not been provided. See 424 of Prummer: archive.org/details/HandbookOfMoralTheology/page/n115/mode/2up?view=theaterI do not say this to discourage people from going to Mass, which would clearly be wicked (I go to the SSPX every Sunday); just because one is not obliged to do something does not mean that one should not, for the law clearly exists for our own spiritual good. I do not see, however, how the obligation can apply to most of us.
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 25, 2023 8:51:04 GMT -5
Is it not also mentioned in the books that one must also attend Mass in the correct place to fulfil the obligation? Private chapels erected by indult of the Holy See are excluded from the list of places at which one can fulfil one's obligation except for the grantee/grantees of the Indult and their guests. The other conditions are naturally that the Mass must be said by a validly ordained priest using a Catholic rite. Even following the provisions of Ad Evitanda Scandala, I don't see how the majority of Catholics can be bound to attend Mass on Sundays and holy days, for a Mass that fulfils the conditions has not been provided. See 424 of Prummer: archive.org/details/HandbookOfMoralTheology/page/n115/mode/2up?view=theaterI do not say this to discourage people from going to Mass, which would clearly be wicked (I go to the SSPX every Sunday); just because one is not obliged to do something does not mean that one should not, for the law clearly exists for our own spiritual good. I do not see, however, how the obligation can apply to most of us. Marcellusfaber, I agree with your understanding. The canonists all say this, that the assisting at the correct place for mass is part of how a Catholic fulfills the obligation. Private chapels, run by traditionalist groups are not churches, oratories or semi-public oratories. I also think it should be obvious that the spirit of the law is clear, and the Church, as shown by Her law, wants Catholics to attend mass on Sundays and Feast Days with the obligation, so, in my opinion, Catholics would be unwise to just say, "I don't have any canonical church, oratory or semi-oratory to go to, so I'll just stay home and relax on those days, since the obligation is not binding me, even though SSPX is 5 minutes away." One last point, this would only affect Catholics of the Latin rite. In the eastern rite, there are still churches, so eastern rite Catholics would not be affected in this regard by the chaos that Latin rite Catholics are responding to by being forced to flee their parishes due to the Novus Ordo.
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