Post by anglocat on Jan 2, 2018 16:35:26 GMT -5
Hello, TradCats,
My name is Scott . I'm Anglican, on the Catholic end of the spectrum, and on the extreme Right. I'm part of the "Continuum" - a set of very conservative, very Catholic-oriented dioceses which left The Episcopal Church years ago over its liberalism.
I visited a Ukrainian Catholic parish this past Sunday, and met Joe VoxxKowalski (who invited me to engage, here). Joe mistook me for a TradCat (in the sense ya'll mean), probably both because I have six kids, aged nine and under, and also because my wife and daughters wear mantillas.
By way of clarifying where I'm coming from:
Anglicanism is diverse, but some of us (a minority, probably) identify mainly with the first millennium British Church, rather than with the Church of England which followed the Reformation. We "AngloCats" believe that we have apostolic succession through the ancient British Church, which existed for centuries prior to coming under the Roman See.
(Some liberals in The Episcopal Church like high ceremony and consider themselves AngloCat, but that's another thing altogether.)
The posture of many Anglo Catholics is similar to that of, for instance, the Polish National Catholic Church.
Although most AngloCats are fairly traditional as regards the mass (e.g. most of us use the Missal rather than our Book of Common Prayer, for mass), and although all "Continuers" are very conservative as regards heresies like so-called "Women's Ordination," I may be especially traditional in certain other regards. I accept Catholic Social Teaching, reject artificial contraception, accept St. Paul's teaching regarding head coverings, etc.
(In other regards, I personally am softer than many Anglo-Catholics, and so am not a good representative of all Anglo-Catholicism. Just for instance, I am hopeful that there is something of the church, if not the fullness of the church, among faithful and conservative Christians outside the episcopate.)
But, I deny the necessity of the papacy, and desire (what I take to be) the conciliar catholicity of the ancient and undivided Church. Anglo Catholic ecclesiology is theoretically similar to that of the Eastern Orthodox.
I understand that, on your view, I am outside the true Church and damned. I accept that this is your view, hope that you're mistaken (!), and am happy to engage with ya'll as brothers from my perspective, even though I'm not one from yours.
Joe sent me an insightful link about sedevacantism, which I responded to with a few take-aways and questions. He invited me to bring those take-aways and questions here, for interaction. So, I hope to post something along those lines, before too long.
Thank you!
Scott
My name is Scott . I'm Anglican, on the Catholic end of the spectrum, and on the extreme Right. I'm part of the "Continuum" - a set of very conservative, very Catholic-oriented dioceses which left The Episcopal Church years ago over its liberalism.
I visited a Ukrainian Catholic parish this past Sunday, and met Joe VoxxKowalski (who invited me to engage, here). Joe mistook me for a TradCat (in the sense ya'll mean), probably both because I have six kids, aged nine and under, and also because my wife and daughters wear mantillas.
By way of clarifying where I'm coming from:
Anglicanism is diverse, but some of us (a minority, probably) identify mainly with the first millennium British Church, rather than with the Church of England which followed the Reformation. We "AngloCats" believe that we have apostolic succession through the ancient British Church, which existed for centuries prior to coming under the Roman See.
(Some liberals in The Episcopal Church like high ceremony and consider themselves AngloCat, but that's another thing altogether.)
The posture of many Anglo Catholics is similar to that of, for instance, the Polish National Catholic Church.
Although most AngloCats are fairly traditional as regards the mass (e.g. most of us use the Missal rather than our Book of Common Prayer, for mass), and although all "Continuers" are very conservative as regards heresies like so-called "Women's Ordination," I may be especially traditional in certain other regards. I accept Catholic Social Teaching, reject artificial contraception, accept St. Paul's teaching regarding head coverings, etc.
(In other regards, I personally am softer than many Anglo-Catholics, and so am not a good representative of all Anglo-Catholicism. Just for instance, I am hopeful that there is something of the church, if not the fullness of the church, among faithful and conservative Christians outside the episcopate.)
But, I deny the necessity of the papacy, and desire (what I take to be) the conciliar catholicity of the ancient and undivided Church. Anglo Catholic ecclesiology is theoretically similar to that of the Eastern Orthodox.
I understand that, on your view, I am outside the true Church and damned. I accept that this is your view, hope that you're mistaken (!), and am happy to engage with ya'll as brothers from my perspective, even though I'm not one from yours.
Joe sent me an insightful link about sedevacantism, which I responded to with a few take-aways and questions. He invited me to bring those take-aways and questions here, for interaction. So, I hope to post something along those lines, before too long.
Thank you!
Scott