Post by Pacelli on Dec 25, 2017 16:41:41 GMT -5
A question has been posed to me about how the teaching of the Church on papal primacy affects those in the eastern rites, since they have their own governing structures, with Patriarchs, synods, and hierarchies. The second question is whether it is correct to say that the eastern rites are "Novus Ordo."
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Although the eastern rites do have their own hierrachies, and enjoy a very broad self governance, all Eastern hierarchies and even every individual person of these rites is subject to immediate jurisdiction of the Pope.
The Popes have historically protected arrangements with the eastern rites, and for the most part left them alone to govern themselve, with very little involvement from Rome. The Popes decision to rule over these flocks in an indirect manner, does not mean that he lacks the jurisdiction to directly rule over these Catholics on any matter if he so chooses.
Regarding the second question, it is not correct to call eastern rite Catholics "Novus Ordo." Their liturgies did not change into a tyoe of "Novus Ordo." Also, if being "Novus Ordo" means joining the Conciliar sect, again, I think the charge is lacking. It has never been proven that any particular eastern rite has in toto sought to join the sect, or that they have as a unified group embraced heretical propositions.
It seems that one stands on solid ground in saying that some eastern rite bishops, priests and laity have publcly adopted and professed heretical beliefs, but some is not all. The belief in the claims of the antipopes is not proof, in and of itself, that the eastern Catholics have joined the sect.
Due to the undeclared nature of the Conciliar sect, the presumption must be of innocence in those who have not publicly shown themselves to be heretics or schismatics. So long as a baptized person remains in the corporate body of the Church, he retains his membership, and that membership can only be lost by joining a non-Catholic sect, publicly and pertinaciously professing heresy, or knowingly leaving the Church by schism.
These principles have been taught over and over again by theologians, and authoritatively by Popes, and most clearly by Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis.
I would ask all who wish to participate in this thread to first read THIS
Although the eastern rites do have their own hierrachies, and enjoy a very broad self governance, all Eastern hierarchies and even every individual person of these rites is subject to immediate jurisdiction of the Pope.
The Popes have historically protected arrangements with the eastern rites, and for the most part left them alone to govern themselve, with very little involvement from Rome. The Popes decision to rule over these flocks in an indirect manner, does not mean that he lacks the jurisdiction to directly rule over these Catholics on any matter if he so chooses.
Regarding the second question, it is not correct to call eastern rite Catholics "Novus Ordo." Their liturgies did not change into a tyoe of "Novus Ordo." Also, if being "Novus Ordo" means joining the Conciliar sect, again, I think the charge is lacking. It has never been proven that any particular eastern rite has in toto sought to join the sect, or that they have as a unified group embraced heretical propositions.
It seems that one stands on solid ground in saying that some eastern rite bishops, priests and laity have publcly adopted and professed heretical beliefs, but some is not all. The belief in the claims of the antipopes is not proof, in and of itself, that the eastern Catholics have joined the sect.
Due to the undeclared nature of the Conciliar sect, the presumption must be of innocence in those who have not publicly shown themselves to be heretics or schismatics. So long as a baptized person remains in the corporate body of the Church, he retains his membership, and that membership can only be lost by joining a non-Catholic sect, publicly and pertinaciously professing heresy, or knowingly leaving the Church by schism.
These principles have been taught over and over again by theologians, and authoritatively by Popes, and most clearly by Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis.