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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Nov 10, 2017 23:52:24 GMT -5
I'm looking for thoughts on this. The following video by Fr. Jenkins says:
--In 1917 Our Lady requested the Holy Father to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart.
--In 1929 after saying "the time had come" Our Lady said it needed to be the Holy Father in union with all the bishops of the world.
--Oct. 31st 1942 Pope Pius XII with the Bishops of Portugal consecrated the world to IHM and "obliquely" mentions Russia. In a following letter Lucia says Our Lord says that He is "pleased, but it is incomplete," and "NOW what is necessary to make that consecration complete is for all of us (laypersons) to consecrate ourselves to the IHM, each and every one of us, the faithful. We must consecrate ourselves, our families, our homes, our dioceses, our countries. We must consecrate all to IHM." revealed after 1942 by Our Lord.
--In July 7, 1952 Pope Pius XII fulfilled Our Lady's prophecy of 1917 that the Holy Father would consecrate Russia. He did this in the official legal publication of the Church (mentioned). It was not ceremonial but was official and did not have all the bishops of the world included but it specifically mentioned Russia.
Now, I've read a lot on Fatima and never have I heard this. But it would make sense. I've always wondered, "If we have no pope or very few bishops, how is the consecration going to happen." Because all the time I was thinking it had to be the Pope and all the bishops of the world together. And Our Lady had said it would happen. But this means Pope Pius XII's consecration in 1952 was that "late" consecration, but since it wasn't in union with all the bishops, NOW it is up to the faithful.
If this is the way it is, it's very important to spread this. Imagine if there is a faithful catholic in every diocese of the world who would do this. I would need to know how to do it properly.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Nov 11, 2017 7:54:23 GMT -5
I forgot to add, Fr. Jenkins talks about these at ~7:00 minutes and then at ~18:00 minutes, if you wanted to watch.
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Post by myrnam on Dec 15, 2017 11:30:48 GMT -5
It will happen because didn't Our Lady say it would happen, I wonder does it mean that the Russian Orthodox will be united to the True Church, wherever it is these days. Which begs another question. Where is the Church during the Great Apostasy?
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Post by semperfidelis on Dec 16, 2017 7:28:55 GMT -5
In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 17, 2017 10:03:06 GMT -5
It will happen because didn't Our Lady say it would happen, I wonder does it mean that the Russian Orthodox will be united to the True Church, wherever it is these days. Which begs another question. Where is the Church during the Great Apostasy? I think what Fr. Jenkins means is that the consecration of Russia is done by the Holy Father; that the time for it to be done in union with the bishops was missed.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 17, 2017 10:06:08 GMT -5
In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world. Fr. Jenkins is saying "--In July 7, 1952 Pope Pius XII fulfilled Our Lady's prophecy of 1917 that the Holy Father would consecrate Russia. He did this in the official legal publication of the Church (mentioned). It was not ceremonial but was official and did not have all the bishops of the world included but it specifically mentioned Russia. " Now the problem I see with this is that we haven't had this period of peace. What I'm wondering is if all Catholics fulfill the consecrations of themselves and their families, dioceses and countries to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart, if then the period of peace would come.
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Post by semperfidelis on Dec 17, 2017 20:11:56 GMT -5
In the end, My Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to Me, and she will be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world. Fr. Jenkins is saying "--In July 7, 1952 Pope Pius XII fulfilled Our Lady's prophecy of 1917 that the Holy Father would consecrate Russia. He did this in the official legal publication of the Church (mentioned). It was not ceremonial but was official and did not have all the bishops of the world included but it specifically mentioned Russia. " Now the problem I see with this is that we haven't had this period of peace. What I'm wondering is if all Catholics fulfill the consecrations of themselves and their families, dioceses and countries to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart, if then the period of peace would come. I have argued this before. (This is my private interpretation which is of course not binding.) 1. The secret, at least what is known, was verbalized in chronological order. The consecretion is therefore presented as completed prior to the third part, a third part that all the evidence indicates is the Great Apostasy of which we are currently living in. 2. The definition of peace most fatima proponents advance is a theoretical peace not even seen in the time of Christ and incompatible with the understanding of this earth being a place of trial where we are to carry our crosses. 3. It is undeniable, that the world wars including Korea, (which had a high potential to become even a larger war than wwII), subsided and there was a relative peace for ten years before Vatican II ( and even a "catholic" president elected in the foremost Super-power of that time). 4. The boat has sailed.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 17, 2017 22:42:18 GMT -5
Fr. Jenkins is saying "--In July 7, 1952 Pope Pius XII fulfilled Our Lady's prophecy of 1917 that the Holy Father would consecrate Russia. He did this in the official legal publication of the Church (mentioned). It was not ceremonial but was official and did not have all the bishops of the world included but it specifically mentioned Russia. " Now the problem I see with this is that we haven't had this period of peace. What I'm wondering is if all Catholics fulfill the consecrations of themselves and their families, dioceses and countries to Our Lady's Immaculate Heart, if then the period of peace would come. I have argued this before. (This is my private interpretation which is of course not binding.) 1. The secret, at least what is known, was verbalized in chronological order. The consecretion is therefore presented as completed prior to the third part, a third part that all the evidence indicates is the Great Apostasy of which we are currently living in. 2. The definition of peace most fatima proponents advance is a theoretical peace not even seen in the time of Christ and incompatible with the understanding of this earth being a place of trial where we are to carry our crosses. 3. It is undeniable, that the world wars including Korea, (which had a high potential to become even a larger war than wwII), subsided and there was a relative peace for ten years before Vatican II ( and even a "catholic" president elected in the foremost Super-power of that time). 4. The boat has sailed. And you may be right. That said, having prayed for World peace (true world peace) with every Rosary for as long as I remember if it takes what Fr. Jenkins suggests I am all for trying it.
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Post by semperfidelis on Dec 18, 2017 14:29:29 GMT -5
I have argued this before. (This is my private interpretation which is of course not binding.) 1. The secret, at least what is known, was verbalized in chronological order. The consecretion is therefore presented as completed prior to the third part, a third part that all the evidence indicates is the Great Apostasy of which we are currently living in. 2. The definition of peace most fatima proponents advance is a theoretical peace not even seen in the time of Christ and incompatible with the understanding of this earth being a place of trial where we are to carry our crosses. 3. It is undeniable, that the world wars including Korea, (which had a high potential to become even a larger war than wwII), subsided and there was a relative peace for ten years before Vatican II ( and even a "catholic" president elected in the foremost Super-power of that time). 4. The boat has sailed. And you may be right. That said, having prayed for World peace (true world peace) with every Rosary for as long as I remember if it takes what Fr. Jenkins suggests I am all for trying it. Prayer is always the answer, but I am curious, if you do not mind me asking, what do you mean by world peace?
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 18, 2017 22:48:27 GMT -5
And you may be right. That said, having prayed for World peace (true world peace) with every Rosary for as long as I remember if it takes what Fr. Jenkins suggests I am all for trying it. Prayer is always the answer, but I am curious, if you do not mind me asking, what do you mean by world peace? Oh, you know, a peace where everyone is trying to follow God's laws, not the fake peace of communists, which simply means no resistance to their machinations.
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