Post by semperfidelis on Nov 5, 2017 7:23:19 GMT -5
I was wondering on if anyone has William a Jurgens, Faith of the Early Fathers and could take pictures of these referenced quotes so I can examine the whole quote in context. I was going to buy the reference, but thought I would ask around first. I would greatly apprecI ate if someone did. My guess is the following are missing impotent parts.
"St. Augustine, 400: “That the place of Baptism is sometimes supplied by suffering is supported by a substantial argument which the same Blessed Cyprian draws…Considering this over and over again, I find that not only suffering for the name of Christ can supply for that which is lacking by way of Baptism, but even faith and conversion of heart, if… recourse cannot be had to the celebration of the Mystery of Baptism.”[cciv]"
[cciv] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1630.
Interestingly, in the same set of works on Baptism quoted already, St. Augustine made a different error, which he later corrected in his Book of Corrections. In this set of works he had originally stated his opinion that the Good Thief who died on the Cross next to Our Lord was an example of Baptism of Blood. He later corrected this, by noting that the Good Thief could not be used as an example of Baptism of Blood because we don’t know if the Good Thief was ever baptized.[ccv]
[ccv] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 69.
St Augustine, 395: “… God does not forgive sins except to the baptized.”[ccvii]
[ccvii] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1536.
St. Augustine, 412: “… the Punic Christians call Baptism itself nothing else but salvation… Whence does this derive, except from an ancient and, as I suppose, apostolic tradition, by which the Churches of Christ hold inherently that without Baptism and participation at the table of the Lord it is impossible for any man to attain either to the Kingdom of God or to salvation and life eternal? This is the witness of Scripture, too.”[ccviii]
[ccviii] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1717.
St. Augustine, 391: “When we shall have come into His [God’s] sight, we shall behold the equity of God’s justice. Then no one will say:… ‘Why was this man led by God’s direction to be baptized, while that man, though he lived properly as a catechumen, was killed in a sudden disaster, and was not baptized?’ Look for rewards, and you will find nothing except punishments.”[ccix]
[ccix] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1496.
"St. Augustine, 400: “That the place of Baptism is sometimes supplied by suffering is supported by a substantial argument which the same Blessed Cyprian draws…Considering this over and over again, I find that not only suffering for the name of Christ can supply for that which is lacking by way of Baptism, but even faith and conversion of heart, if… recourse cannot be had to the celebration of the Mystery of Baptism.”[cciv]"
[cciv] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1630.
Interestingly, in the same set of works on Baptism quoted already, St. Augustine made a different error, which he later corrected in his Book of Corrections. In this set of works he had originally stated his opinion that the Good Thief who died on the Cross next to Our Lord was an example of Baptism of Blood. He later corrected this, by noting that the Good Thief could not be used as an example of Baptism of Blood because we don’t know if the Good Thief was ever baptized.[ccv]
[ccv] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 69.
St Augustine, 395: “… God does not forgive sins except to the baptized.”[ccvii]
[ccvii] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1536.
St. Augustine, 412: “… the Punic Christians call Baptism itself nothing else but salvation… Whence does this derive, except from an ancient and, as I suppose, apostolic tradition, by which the Churches of Christ hold inherently that without Baptism and participation at the table of the Lord it is impossible for any man to attain either to the Kingdom of God or to salvation and life eternal? This is the witness of Scripture, too.”[ccviii]
[ccviii] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1717.
St. Augustine, 391: “When we shall have come into His [God’s] sight, we shall behold the equity of God’s justice. Then no one will say:… ‘Why was this man led by God’s direction to be baptized, while that man, though he lived properly as a catechumen, was killed in a sudden disaster, and was not baptized?’ Look for rewards, and you will find nothing except punishments.”[ccix]
[ccix] Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, Vol. 3: 1496.