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Post by Pacelli on Oct 30, 2017 10:05:45 GMT -5
I have posted a study done on CMRI HERE
If anyone wants more information on CMRI's early years, I would recommend this book written by a former nun from the group, www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Blackmail-Journey-Through-Catholic-ebook/dp/B00KXL17XKThe study covers CMRI from its founding until about the early 90's. I do want to say for the record that I do not believe CMRI is still a cult. They have clearly broken from their past, and have tried very hard to form themselves into a stable Catholic organization. I agree with Fr. Ahern that the CMRI group is not and has not been a sect, either heretical or schismatic. My purpose of posting this is not to take a swipe at CMRI as it stands today, it is to give a reminder to Catholics to never get too comfortable with any traditional group. The fact is that all of these groups are man-made private organizations, which are ungoverned by the Catholic Church. Any normalcy in these groups is solely due to the good behavior of their leaders, its stability as a Catholic organization does not come from it being governed by the Church. Another way of saying it is this: without the governance of the Catholic Church, any private group is inherently unstable, as there is no oversight or supervision of the group by the Church. They exist on their own, governed only by themselves, with no external check on their leadership whatsoever. There is no way to correct abuses, and no way to stop the group's leader from becoming a cult leader, or leading the group into becoming a sect. In the case of CMRI, the group was able to force out its wayward leader and restructure the group, something that did not happen with the Palma de Troya group. This is fortunate for them, but it should serve as a reminder to Catholics that all of these groups have the potential of becoming a cult or a sect, and every Catholic needs to be on guard if they are involved with any of these groups.
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Post by RitaMarita on Oct 30, 2017 11:26:57 GMT -5
Thank you posting! I love the CMRI!!! And all that you say is true... The Church has always had to deal with people causing problems inside of Her....
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Post by Barbara on Oct 31, 2017 4:28:10 GMT -5
I am very grateful for the CMRI, yet I've been around traditionalist groups and independent chapels long enough to realize the possibility of any of them developing into a cult. Sometimes it's not the organization as a whole that becomes that way, but a local branch starts to impose requirements on its attendees, with or without the knowledge of the priest.
I've been accused of "not being able to commit" when I have left one group to go to another, and rarely in my 12 years as a Traditional Catholic have I attended only one chapel. Yet I have no regrets. When friends are considering moving, I always recommend that if possible, they go to an area where more than one Mass is available to them, as a back-up if one of the chapels closes shop or goes down a cultist road.
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Oct 31, 2017 11:08:53 GMT -5
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 31, 2017 11:08:53 GMT -5
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Oct 31, 2017 13:10:51 GMT -5
Post by Pacelli on Oct 31, 2017 13:10:51 GMT -5
I am very grateful for the CMRI, yet I've been around traditionalist groups and independent chapels long enough to realize the possibility of any of them developing into a cult. Sometimes it's not the organization as a whole that becomes that way, but a local branch starts to impose requirements on its attendees, with or without the knowledge of the priest. I've been accused of "not being able to commit" when I have left one group to go to another, and rarely in my 12 years as a Traditional Catholic have I attended only one chapel. Yet I have no regrets. When friends are considering moving, I always recommend that if possible, they go to an area where more than one Mass is available to them, as a back-up if one of the chapels closes shop or goes down a cultist road. Good advice Barbara, I second it.
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Oct 31, 2017 13:12:04 GMT -5
Post by Pacelli on Oct 31, 2017 13:12:04 GMT -5
I agree Vox, under the facade of normalcy, it is a mess.
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Post by Andrew on Oct 31, 2017 13:56:47 GMT -5
I am very grateful for the CMRI, yet I've been around traditionalist groups and independent chapels long enough to realize the possibility of any of them developing into a cult. Sometimes it's not the organization as a whole that becomes that way, but a local branch starts to impose requirements on its attendees, with or without the knowledge of the priest. I've been accused of "not being able to commit" when I have left one group to go to another, and rarely in my 12 years as a Traditional Catholic have I attended only one chapel. Yet I have no regrets. When friends are considering moving, I always recommend that if possible, they go to an area where more than one Mass is available to them, as a back-up if one of the chapels closes shop or goes down a cultist road. Good advice Barbara, I second it. This is why this site is a good teacher to us, it makes us non culty and secty. I also think the reason the CMRI is so good now is that they have that horrible experience not to repeat; a healthy sceptism about trusting in man, and His Excellency trully wants to do only what the church has taught with a commitment to Pius the 12th. Alot of traditional groups pick and choose around his pontificate while at the same time critisize the R and R. Anyway as a tree is known by it's fruits the priests are hard working, evidently holy and exude a genuineness that is unmistakeable. We all have a faults to be sure but Love for Christ, Our Lady and the church is not lacking in the CMRI. Thanx Pacelli! Fr. Ahearns book should keep us vigilant against sect and cult mentality. Generically catholics are considered a "CULT" which I take pride in because we have the truth but can you imagine what they said against St. Francis when he chastised his menbers for retaining possesions? Distinctions, definitions, and authority are so necessary and important.
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Post by Andrew on Oct 31, 2017 13:57:44 GMT -5
I meant NON culty and NON secty, SORRY!
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 31, 2017 16:52:10 GMT -5
TC....the most Non Culty Catholic forum on the web...sortof has a ring to it. Tell your friends!
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Post by recusant on Oct 31, 2017 19:44:04 GMT -5
I am very grateful for the CMRI, yet I've been around traditionalist groups and independent chapels long enough to realize the possibility of any of them developing into a cult. Sometimes it's not the organization as a whole that becomes that way, but a local branch starts to impose requirements on its attendees, with or without the knowledge of the priest. I've been accused of "not being able to commit" when I have left one group to go to another, and rarely in my 12 years as a Traditional Catholic have I attended only one chapel. Yet I have no regrets. When friends are considering moving, I always recommend that if possible, they go to an area where more than one Mass is available to them, as a back-up if one of the chapels closes shop or goes down a cultist road. Great advice, I do the same thing.
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Post by RitaMarita on Nov 7, 2017 20:51:55 GMT -5
I am very grateful for the CMRI, yet I've been around traditionalist groups and independent chapels long enough to realize the possibility of any of them developing into a cult. Sometimes it's not the organization as a whole that becomes that way, but a local branch starts to impose requirements on its attendees, with or without the knowledge of the priest. I've been accused of "not being able to commit" when I have left one group to go to another, and rarely in my 12 years as a Traditional Catholic have I attended only one chapel. Yet I have no regrets. When friends are considering moving, I always recommend that if possible, they go to an area where more than one Mass is available to them, as a back-up if one of the chapels closes shop or goes down a cultist road. I think that is why God established the papacy... We really need to pray hard for the Restoration!
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