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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Sept 13, 2017 10:00:50 GMT -5
The kids and I have a chance to venerate some relics of a saint next week. It is in a NO church. Should we wear veils? I normally don't inside NO churches, but in this case I'm not sure.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Sept 13, 2017 12:04:43 GMT -5
or maybe people don't even dress up for these things in church clothes? I've only been around them in a chapel with the Real Mass before so I'm asking.
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Post by Pacelli on Sept 13, 2017 12:24:30 GMT -5
The kids and I have a chance to venerate some relics of a saint next week. It is in a NO church. Should we wear veils? I normally don't inside NO churches, but in this case I'm not sure. In my opinion, it's an open question. It is clear that the worship being given to God in these Churches is not the approved worship of the Church. But, it is also clear that the Churches were properly consecrated to be used as a church for the true worship of God. It does not appear, (or at a minimum it's an open question) whether the rite of the Novus Ordo would violate the Church. Read more HEREWith all that in mind, it would at first appear that the answer is "yes," we should treat these churches as properly consecrated Catholic Churches. But, a counter argument is this: if women wear veils in these churches, it could cause scandal as people may believe they are regarding what goes on in these churches as Catholic. If a Catholic woman were for some reason to enter a Protestant church, she would not wear the veil, as she would not recognize it as a legitimate church. In my opinion, so long as the Church is being used for the Novus Ordo, I think it best in practice to not give it recognition in any way as being Catholic, even though it is possible that the Church may still retain its consecration. I offer this by way of opinion, and I do not fault any woman who uses the argument that the Church is still Catholic, but occupied by an undeclared sect, and that it may still retain its consecration, therefore the veil must still be worn by women inside.
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Post by Barbara on Sept 13, 2017 18:00:08 GMT -5
Another question is whether what is in the tabernacle is really the Most Blessed Sacrament. I can't answer that for you, but that is one consideration.
My understanding is that the veil is worn when the Blessed Sacrament is present, even when the Mass is being offered in a place outside a Church, such as a private home or a rented room.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this! I have so much to learn.
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Post by Pacelli on Sept 13, 2017 19:26:00 GMT -5
Another question is whether what is in the tabernacle is really the Most Blessed Sacrament. I can't answer that for you, but that is one consideration. My understanding is that the veil is worn when the Blessed Sacrament is present, even when the Mass is being offered in a place outside a Church, such as a private home or a rented room. Correct me if I'm wrong on this! I have so much to learn. Barbara, Here is my take, fwiw. Paul VI created a reasonable doubt about the validity of the new 'sacraments" when he changed the mass and also the ordination and consecration rites into something radically new. Some may argue that the Pope cannot make any change in the rites which would invalidate the sacraments. They are correct. However, in the case of Paul VI, he also created reasonable doubt about his claim to the papacy itself. He taught doctrine clearly at odds with Catholic doctrine and by doing so broke from the teaching of the Church. Secondly, his actions of teaching false doctrine had the effect of creating a new heretical sect, making him also a schismatic. The fact that his papal claim is in doubt casts doubt on everything he did as "pope." In my opinion, all that came from Paul VI should be avoided by Catholics, his teaching, his laws, and his Sacrmanents. Absent a judgment from the Church we cannot say with certainty that they are invalid, but we can say that they are not the certain approved sacramental rites of the Church, that they are strange and radical new rites formed outside of the protection of the Church , therefore their validity is unknown and by that doubtful.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Sept 13, 2017 22:27:15 GMT -5
I don't believe that the Blessed Sacrament is present. If I did I wouldn't step in the church for fear of stepping on Him, who no doubt would be dropped all over the floor from CITH. I don't think we'll wear veils just as Pacelli stated, "not give it recognition in any way as being Catholic." Many thanks.
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