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Post by kim on Aug 27, 2017 18:56:58 GMT -5
My non-Catholic husband has offered me abdominal liposuction for our 30th anniversary. I work out a lot but am still a Bit overweight and have a c-section gut. I would NEVER consider doing this on my own because of the money. But he wants to take a little cash out of his retirement and offer me this because he's sweet.I'm not that vain but I want to look nice for him.
Are there any trad rules about this?
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Post by micah1199 on Aug 27, 2017 19:31:59 GMT -5
Ask your confessor.
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Post by micah1199 on Aug 27, 2017 19:34:20 GMT -5
It is an interesting question. I could get anabolic steroids legally for several thousand dollars. It would make me stronger, healthier, and fitter.. Would God approve?
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Post by micah1199 on Aug 27, 2017 19:36:55 GMT -5
This could be a category where an answer isn't forthcoming due to lack of a pope and the rapid advance of medical technology.
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Post by kim on Aug 27, 2017 20:30:08 GMT -5
What an embarrassing question to ask a priest.
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Post by micah1199 on Aug 28, 2017 7:29:51 GMT -5
How so? He's heard the filthiest sins in the confessional. You are asking a legitimate moral question. False shame isn't good. Just ask him.
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Post by micah1199 on Aug 28, 2017 7:31:21 GMT -5
I doubt you will be the first woman to ask your priest about elective cosmetic surgery because of its available in our society.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Aug 28, 2017 22:26:09 GMT -5
I suppose you could consider it as you would an expensive diamond ring. If your husband want you to do it or wants if for you, I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I would be rather embarrassed to tell people about it though.
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Post by Pacelli on Aug 29, 2017 0:36:59 GMT -5
In my opinion, I do not believe liposuction is morally justifiable. I will elaborate more on why tomorrow, I am out of time right now.
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Post by Pacelli on Aug 29, 2017 20:24:55 GMT -5
I offer this only by way of opinion. I am not an authority. 1. Are there health benefits to liposuction?---- There are some studies which do show some health benefits of liposuction, but it appears that this is still a disputed point. ----- 2. Are there serious risks?------- If one does a search of "liposuction deaths" many true stories of young and healthy people dying from complications can be found. ----- 3. With these facts in mind, that there are no (or disputed) health benefits and there are real risks, including death, I believe this procedure is not morally justifiable. 4. It also appears that this procedure is not used for health, as that can be achieved through far less risky methods such as better diet and exercise. It appears that every case of this procedure is used just for cosmetic purposes, not health. With that in mind, there is no argument that better health and avoiding obesity realated diseases justifies the risks. 5. Fr. Kelly explains these principles in his essay linked HEREIt is also worth noting that the principles explained by Fr. Kelly are the same as those explained by other moralists. The risks of mutilation must be justified by the benefits. For example, removing ones appendix to save one's life justifies the risk of the surgery. IMO, unless such good benefits to health can be shown, this risk of undertaking this procedure cannot be justified.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Aug 29, 2017 23:47:42 GMT -5
I live by the rule...never volunteer for surgery.
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Post by Clotilde on Aug 30, 2017 7:38:35 GMT -5
I would agree that liposuction is most likely not morally permissible due to the lack of health benefits and the risk of the surgery. If there was something else, non-surgical you might consider, maybe that would be a better avenue, like working with a personal trainer. However, the practical part of me is saying "Don't take money out of your retirement! Noooooooooo!"
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Post by micah1199 on Aug 30, 2017 8:04:18 GMT -5
Vox is correct. Never volunteer for surgery. I read about a 35 year tv star who had a minor foot surgery who died from complications from it. It was very minor and yet people die from it.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Aug 30, 2017 12:30:15 GMT -5
I think we generally all are sold the notion of how technology and science are these nearly perfect systems. Consider Joan Rivers...all that money...the best cosmetic surgeon she could afford...bam...dead. I remember my middle boy when he was 2 or three had to have an eartube procedure...I was terrified the whole time. Insisted to the nurse (who was none to pleasent about it) that he must be allowed to wear his scapular.
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Post by chestertonian on Aug 31, 2017 9:24:27 GMT -5
Is it for diastasis? That is when the abdominal muscles are damaged by pregnancy and don't close all the way.
My wife says that a lot of the women she knows go on for a tummy tuck after they are done having children. It's very tempting because she is anorexic and having this last baby triggered a relapse.. "losing the baby weight" turned into 500 calories a day and compulsive exercise. At 97 pounds she's still unhappy with her body
My observation of women is that I've never met one who feels comfortable in her own skin. plastic surgery can be great for people with congenital problems or disfiguring injuries but it can also be an addiction for those who can't emotionally handle living in a body that has jiggly parts. It might remove fat but psychologically it's often not enough
If you have diastasis id recommend a physical therapist you can sometimes heal the injury from pregnancy with exercise
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