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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 3, 2018 11:11:48 GMT -5
The next Voxxcast will be an interview EM Jones has agreed to do with me. If you have any questions for him PERTAINING TO THE CRISIS....please post them here. Try to keep them single scope in nature. I will vet the best ones to include on the broadcast. I am aware he does not hold the sede position in high regard...nor even sspx. But this man is a giant of a Catholic intelkectual in his precision as per Catholic culture and history. I enjoy every single talk I listen to. Hopefully this one will be good as well.
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Post by mithrandylan on Sept 3, 2018 20:27:04 GMT -5
Ask him to talk about the relationship between jewry, sodomy, and modernism. Or just sodomy and modernism. I'm just guessing that question can't be answered without some reference to Jewry.
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Post by heinrich on Sept 3, 2018 21:46:40 GMT -5
Congratulations! Can you ask him to clarify how he considers labor as the source of value? That is one of the few things that I have a difficult time wrapping my head around. Thanks!
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 3, 2018 22:02:02 GMT -5
Ask him to talk about the relationship between jewry, sodomy, and modernism. Or just sodomy and modernism. I'm just guessing that question can't be answered without some reference to Jewry. If you google him on you tube he has several great talks on just this. Ill get a link to you. Im going to try talking about some things he doesnt normally discuss. But it is a great important subject.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 3, 2018 22:03:50 GMT -5
Congratulations! Can you ask him to clarify how he considers labor as the source of value? That is one of the few things that I have a difficult time wrapping my head around. Thanks! Yeah he discusses this a little when talking about his new book Barron metal. Its a good question.On short list.
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Post by mithrandylan on Sept 3, 2018 23:10:58 GMT -5
I know he talks about sodomy and Jewry. I would like him to talk about sodomy and modernism specifically. We can distinguish between modernism and Jewry. I would like Jones' take on the convergence of modernism and sodomy.
You could ask him something like this, "We know about the relationship between Jewry and sodomy, between usury and sodomy, but what about the relationship between modernism and sodomy? Why is it that modernism converges with sodomy at such a high rate?" If all he has to say is that because modernism is a Jewish invention fine, but I'd like to see him try to address the question from that angle. It's something I've been thinking about. Modernism erodes truth, obviously, so it certainly makes a person sympathetic to sodomy (i.e., makes them think it's morally good) but the fact is that the modernist clerics are overwhelmingly not just supportive of sodomy, they are sodomites. So just like we can distinguish between someone who is supportive of abortion and someone who actually conducts abortions without any putative moral qualms, I want to know why the modernists are active sodomites, rather than just supportive of sodomy.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 4, 2018 7:26:44 GMT -5
well first I will be discussing the sede opinion. I know that he holds it to be schismatic. Further Modernism needs definition. I will ask him for his answer. So then I may be able to ask him your question. Understand that Dr Jones never gives a short answer. This may be the only interview he grants me. So I dont want to get into too broad a subject. Firstly since Dr Jones attends the NO we will need to come to a mutual understanding on the subject...secondly My abilities and knowledge base is limited. But if we can find common ground on modernism I'll ask him about Jewrys input and its connection to sodomy.
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Post by mithrandylan on Sept 4, 2018 9:44:22 GMT -5
Very interesting. I'm assuming he realizes the content of the interview ahead of time (i.e. he knows that it's going to be about traditionalism and sedevacantism)?
I like Jones as a thinker but I don't think he's much of a theologian at all. I think he's a Feeneyite-lite, too.
Anyways, don't worry about the Jews, they'll come up no matter what, I'm sure. If you could just ask him about the relationship between MODERNISM and sodomy, I'd be very interested to see how he answers that. I understand that it might tread over old ground and not really fit, so it's fine if you don't get to that. But that would be my question. Modernism SPECIFICALLY (as a theological mode of thought) and sodomy.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 4, 2018 14:38:10 GMT -5
Very interesting. I'm assuming he realizes the content of the interview ahead of time (i.e. he knows that it's going to be about traditionalism and sedevacantism)? I like Jones as a thinker but I don't think he's much of a theologian at all. I think he's a Feeneyite-lite, too. Anyways, don't worry about the Jews, they'll come up no matter what, I'm sure. If you could just ask him about the relationship between MODERNISM and sodomy, I'd be very interested to see how he answers that. I understand that it might tread over old ground and not really fit, so it's fine if you don't get to that. But that would be my question. Modernism SPECIFICALLY (as a theological mode of thought) and sodomy. Yes I heard him make the case of a conspiracy against Father Feeny
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Post by catholicam on Sept 6, 2018 8:42:50 GMT -5
There was indeed a case of conspiracy of modernist networking against him, which led to his silencing. The heretic Archbishop Cushing and his friends in the Vatican,colluded to this end. The erroneous ecclesiology of Vatican II was being advanced and tested in this case. Needless to say it was accepted with nary a peep in protest. The rest is history.
Back on topic, The Jews are, it seems, at a zenith as relates to their worldly power, does he foresee a greater expansion of this, or some sort of fall for them, or an effective pushback from the Catholic Church?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 6, 2018 8:51:59 GMT -5
The Jews are, it seems, at a zenith as relates to their worldly power, does he foresee a greater expansion of this, or some sort of fall for them, or an effective pushback from the Catholic Church? This is a good question...on shortlist.
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Post by heinrich on Sept 10, 2018 18:11:24 GMT -5
When is the talk with Dr. Jones?
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Post by mithrandylan on Sept 11, 2018 13:23:15 GMT -5
I was listening to a recent Q&A with Jones which made me feel kind of embarrassed for him. He said the crisis in the Church is reducible to the Church's failure to recognize and combat psychological warfare (that this IS a problem can be granted, certainly) and his example was Nostrae Aetatae, a document which he says affirms the Church's traditional relationship to the Jews (arguable, I disagree, but arguable) but which has been consistently misinterpreted and misapplied. The second prong of this claim is something that's bothered me about Jones and makes me wish he'd not talk about theology except at the most remote levels. He frequently implies, and I think if you tried to pin him down on the point he'd all but admit, that he and others like him are the only people who've ever understood Nostra Aetatae. I think this "argument" of his, which he places so much confidence in, belies a very mistaken notion of how the Church "works" as a teacher. When she proposes something for belief (at ANY level, not just extraordinary) it is not the prerogative of the laity to sidestep what she is proposing and how she understands it so that they can arrive at a "true" or "proper" understanding.
The context of this argument was against sedevacantism, which he said was not tethered in reality. The "real" explanation of the crisis, according to him, is that the Church has failed to understand what she teaches! This is a very naturalistic view of the Church, one that Jones seems to latently accept most of the time when he tries to grapple with specific contemporary ecclesiological problems.
Jones's ideas in this regard are a magnet for caricatures. On analysis it's very difficult to take them seriously. So Voxx, be careful interviewing him just because if he goes down these roads he needs to be challenged since a) his ecclesiological-theological ideas lack tethering not just to reality but the the Catholic theological tradition as it pertains to the nature of the Church and b) he looks silly saying these things since he's quite erudite in other areas. Do him a favor and either steer him away from making a fool of himself by letting him talk about things he knows about, or challenge him (charitably and conversationally, of course) to reconsider them.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 11, 2018 16:16:39 GMT -5
When is the talk with Dr. Jones? I will be recording it tomorrow...Ill do post production and publish it by the weekend.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 11, 2018 16:23:42 GMT -5
I was listening to a recent Q&A with Jones which made me feel kind of embarrassed for him. He said the crisis in the Church is reducible to the Church's failure to recognize and combat psychological warfare (that this IS a problem can be granted, certainly) and his example was Nostrae Aetatae, a document which he says affirms the Church's traditional relationship to the Jews (arguable, I disagree, but arguable) but which has been consistently misinterpreted and misapplied. The second prong of this claim is something that's bothered me about Jones and makes me wish he'd not talk about theology except at the most remote levels. He frequently implies, and I think if you tried to pin him down on the point he'd all but admit, that he and others like him are the only people who've ever understood Nostra Aetatae. I think this "argument" of his, which he places so much confidence in, belies a very mistaken notion of how the Church "works" as a teacher. When she proposes something for belief (at ANY level, not just extraordinary) it is not the prerogative of the laity to sidestep what she is proposing and how she understands it so that they can arrive at a "true" or "proper" understanding. The context of this argument was against sedevacantism, which he said was not tethered in reality. The "real" explanation of the crisis, according to him, is that the Church has failed to understand what she teaches! This is a very naturalistic view of the Church, one that Jones seems to latently accept most of the time when he tries to grapple with specific contemporary ecclesiological problems. Jones's ideas in this regard are a magnet for caricatures. On analysis it's very difficult to take them seriously. So Voxx, be careful interviewing him just because if he goes down these roads he needs to be challenged since a) his ecclesiological-theological ideas lack tethering not just to reality but the the Catholic theological tradition as it pertains to the nature of the Church and b) he looks silly saying these things since he's quite erudite in other areas. Do him a favor and either steer him away from making a fool of himself by letting him talk about things he knows about, or challenge him (charitably and conversationally, of course) to reconsider them. Great minds think alike. I am already as you know big on reminding people that the church has to talk to all catholics...from shepherd girls like Jacinta...and mega minds like Aquinas. From Paupers to Kings. And what prompted the thought of trying to interview him in the first place was how little he seem to actually know about the faith personally....judging by his comments. I will try to steer clear of theology but it will have to be broached if we are going to discuss the sede opinion and the Crisis in General. This will not be a live interview btw.
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