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Post by Clotilde on Mar 13, 2018 23:28:42 GMT -5
Forgive me if I am staying the obvious but some thing stated in this thread might need some clarification.
"Traditionalist" Catholics do not see themeselves as having broken with the Church but merely living through a Crisis in which they hold to tradition and wait for a pope, bishops in their diocese, and ultimately until it is safe to go back to their local parishes.
You wont find "rules" regarding ordinations other than those governed by the Canon Law of the Catholic Church.
I was reading this intro and it dawned on me that though they are small, there are actually "priests" and "bishops" out there who may have independent church-like buildings and some sort of religious service, and they might out right say it but they *do not* consider themselves a part of the Catholic Church. They possibly even use Catholic as a descriptor but we (both traditional minded Latin and Oriental Catholics) have nothing to do with them and certainly no intercommunion.
The uniting factor among traditionalists is that we obey Rome and while it is occupied with usurpers, we hold to all of the laws and traditions that we are sure that have come from Rome.
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Post by votekluz on Mar 14, 2018 18:31:05 GMT -5
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Post by votekluz on Apr 8, 2018 17:51:40 GMT -5
I wish this were easy. I feel drawn to the novus ordo diaconate.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Apr 8, 2018 19:06:13 GMT -5
You could be an eastern rite deacon.
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Post by RitaMarita on Apr 30, 2018 10:11:48 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum, Votekluz!
There are many things a traditional Catholic man can do to help those living in society.
We are all here for you! Keep an open mind and heart and God will surely show you the path which He wishes for you to enter upon!
God bless!
Rita
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Apr 30, 2018 11:08:45 GMT -5
The call is not just a feeling. And if you are Married THAT sacrament is as important and sacred as the Holy orders in a sense. And with Children you become the Priest (symbolically) of your home. Zackly...good husbands serve God as St Joseph did.
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Post by Nandarani on May 19, 2018 18:00:22 GMT -5
I truly wish there were married priests in the Latin Rite. I'm one that is lucky to be Monday through Friday. If I was going to associate myself with a traditional church it would be Shrine Of Fatima & St Cajetan in Weekie Wachee Florida. I know the woman that is helping running that church with Father Eugene Wright, who is an amazing priest. I am having difficulty though going to Mass since my wife will never be a participating Catholic. That church needs help and I agree that many people do travel long distances to attend. I guess I am being selfish by constantly referring to becoming clergy but I truly feel the call. I find it ironic that I feel the call yet don't go to Mass. Hello.
Welcome.
1. The Shrine you mention in Florida is one I have some small interest in [Am in Hawai' and using the following databases to search for a move, www.traditio.com and www.ecclesia.luxvera.org/Directory-USA.html]
I don't know the particulars of Fr. Wright's lineage. Since nothing rang a bell stopped without researching further a few weeks ago, I think. Reading your comment about him, I trust it. ...and fact that the church needs help strikes a chord though maybe you meant, in the way of another priest to help out. Me, just would like to get involved for a change instead of being entirely online. I see I need more information about Fr. Wright and this Shrine. There are other traditional centers in Florida of various types but one you are already drawn to seems meant to be special for you in some way.
2. ! Here is the second reason I am posting. Here is a key link for you; it was for me astounding. I found it almost life changing just in the sense of such commonality as I felt with his story, as extreme as it is, as so many many aspects of his character seemed similar to my own, including the need for physical exercise to balance spiritual mental atmosphere I try to maintain inside.
Please read it. I don't think you will be able to stop once having begun, actually. At least you will find that there are others around simillar to yourself in re: feeling the calling and having a vocation.
www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/life-as-a-seminarian-was-like-movie-platoon/
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Post by Nandarani on May 19, 2018 18:07:41 GMT -5
*similar, typo
research update
The Shrine of Fatima and St. Cajetan Inc. appears as first listing in "YP Yellow Pages" using startpage. Nothing so far about Fr. Eugene Wright other than several listings about Eugene Wright, age 94, a jazz musician living in Chicago. None of this lack is any reflection on your observations. No answer yet as to Fr. Wright's background though.
The shrine is listed as in Brooksville. Weeki Watchee seems part of Brooksville also the home of the traditional Most Holy Trinity Seminary which also is listed. No other listing in the Yellow Pages for the Weekie Watchee/Brooksville area uses an 'Inc.' .
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Post by Nandarani on Jun 15, 2018 12:03:59 GMT -5
This is the kind of mystery I find in searching for a move. Another situation like it: Fr. Gregory Safreed, of Holy Family Church in Melbourne, Florida. I would, given information - even just hints or a bit of it - to work with, move to either location.
This is why Independent priests are one of the myriad difficulties we confront - not suspect in themselves, but each one is different and some absolutely hesitate as do we on the internet. But that means! People like myself cannot learn.
Confidence and willingness to embrace the cross of standing up needs to be there. Not every independent priest is at that level. Fr. Safreed's name is not on the website. In his case I have found one blogpost which I think now is from the days before he was ordained.
This seems why larger organizations, CMRI, and Thuc line bishops and priests have the advantage.
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Post by Nandarani on Jun 30, 2018 18:01:34 GMT -5
A too long over-due update.
I have received a kind and detailed response from Fr. Safreed and have permission to convey the information he gave me. I have not yet pursued reaching Fr. Wright beyond establishing that the first of the numbers one can use, is not working, but the second one, is. I just haven't left a message yet. Leaving a message was how I heard from Fr. Safreed by e-mail.
Though I am going to need to just in order to get the answer, if I can, about what is going on where he is. I learned that St. Cajetan is associated with the Theatines. Here is the response I received from Fr. Safreed:
I am responding to your inquiry regarding Holy Family Chapel.
Holy Family is an independant Traditional Roman Cathoic Chapel with no ties whatsoever to the Novus Ordo church.
It is run by a lay-board who is responsible for its financial and physical well being.
I was originally ordained by the "Mar Thoma" Orthodox church, which has valid orders. This was done with the stipulation that I would NOT become a part of their religion, and that I would remain a part of the Traditional Roman Catholic Church. They did it as a favor to my then Superior, as I belong to a very small group of Franciscans called The Franciscan Friars of the Sacred Heart. The Traditional bishops are very political, and so I resorted to being ordained under those conditions.
When I came to Holy Family five years ago, I was ordained "sub-conditione" by Bishop Patrick Taylor, of Beckley, WV. He has many valid episcopal lines, of which no one can doubt, and used the traditional (Pius XII) ordinal when ordaining me sub-conditione. There can be no question about my validity.
While the Chapel itself is "independent," I am a sedevacantist, so I do not beleive that there has been a valid Pope since the death of Pope Pius XII in 1958. I do not include "Pope" Francis' name in the Canon of the Mass.
The Missal I use is that of the 1955-56 vintage, with the Holy Week as prescribed by Pius XII.
Thank you for your interest. If I can be of further assistance, please call me at: 321-205-5418.
With my prayers, I am,
Sincerely yours in Christ,
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