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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Jan 8, 2018 23:52:06 GMT -5
Anyone know someone who was denied an annulment when they sought it through the New Church? If so, what did the person(s) do then? Did they respect the decision or go elsewhere?
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Post by Pacelli on Jan 9, 2018 13:11:29 GMT -5
Anyone know someone who was denied an annulment when they sought it through the New Church? If so, what did the person(s) do then? Did they respect the decision or go elsewhere? I have never run into or even heard of anyone being denied a conciliar annulment. I know of many cases in which people were married for decades, raised children and still easily received them.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Jan 9, 2018 23:07:34 GMT -5
Anyone know someone who was denied an annulment when they sought it through the New Church? If so, what did the person(s) do then? Did they respect the decision or go elsewhere? I have never run into or even heard of anyone being denied a conciliar annulment. I know of many cases in which people were married for decades, raised children and still easily received them. Surely we can find ONE couple which did not qualify for an "annulment". I have numerous aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings who have received a NO annulment, but have never known a couple to not qualify. Is this not enough for people to question the NO? What about the Eastern Rites? To whom to they go to for an annulment, the Vatican or a Patriarch or something else?
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Post by Clotilde on Jan 10, 2018 2:21:54 GMT -5
I believe they usually have a caseworker-priest nowadays to help them answer questions the "right way." i highly doubt the questions are much more than a formality.
To be honest though, I actually think some Novus Ordo marriages might actually have impediments, maybe even much more so in the past due to the ignorance and dishonesty of parties involved.
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Post by Pacelli on Jan 10, 2018 8:11:49 GMT -5
I have never run into or even heard of anyone being denied a conciliar annulment. I know of many cases in which people were married for decades, raised children and still easily received them. Surely we can find ONE couple which did not qualify for an "annulment". I have numerous aunts, uncles, cousins, siblings who have received a NO annulment, but have never known a couple to not qualify. Is this not enough for people to question the NO? What about the Eastern Rites? To whom to they go to for an annulment, the Vatican or a Patriarch or something else? In every case I know about, none were ever denied. Yes, I believe it is an argument against the sect, the Catholic Church would never be so loose with giving out annulments like candy. I remember years ago that the wife of a Kennedy, who by the way was a Protestant made a big and public outcry that her her supposedly Catholic husband was going to get an annulment after a long marriage. It embarrassed the Conciliar Church since it showed what a joke their annulment mills are, and in the end “Rome” reversed it after getting egg on their face. The eastern rites essentially govern themselves, so the annulment would be governed by their own hierarchies. I am not personally aware of any eastern rite Catholics who have annulled marriages, not even a single case.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 10, 2018 10:49:17 GMT -5
I know a Ukrainian Priest personally who is involved in this and is a canon lawyer. His point us to never grant them unless the evidence is so overwhelming its obvious. I never asked him if he ever granted any because I think that is private information. His fear in the east was not more annulments...he rightly pointed out that bergoglio was attempting to allow divorced access to the sacraments which would make most annulments unecessary. He said this back when bergoglio visited Philly a few years back...at the Council on the Family...or whatever the hell it was called. He was there and saw what the modernists goals were.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 10, 2018 10:52:36 GMT -5
Moved this to here from chit chat
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Jan 10, 2018 23:38:03 GMT -5
I believe they usually have a caseworker-priest nowadays to help them answer questions the "right way." i highly doubt the questions are much more than a formality. To be honest though, I actually think some Novus Ordo marriages might actually have impediments, maybe even much more so in the past due to the ignorance and dishonesty of parties involved. Do you mean like not actually intending to have children? I know couples in NO marriage classes who have stated this.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Jan 10, 2018 23:40:10 GMT -5
I know a Ukrainian Priest personally who is involved in this and is a canon lawyer. His point us to never grant them unless the evidence is so overwhelming its obvious. I never asked him if he ever granted any because I think that is private information. His fear in the east was not more annulments... he rightly pointed out that bergoglio was attempting to allow divorced access to the sacraments which would make most annulments unecessary. He said this back when bergoglio visited Philly a few years back...at the Council on the Family...or whatever the hell it was called. He was there and saw what the modernists goals were. Isn't this the actual practice? Anyone goes up to the communion rail; sort of don't ask, don't tell. The only thing now is it is on the books?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jan 10, 2018 23:57:21 GMT -5
Well I guess it depends on the Parishes. If theyre small enough it will be known who is divorced etc. The eastern parishes for the most part are small.
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Post by Clotilde on Jan 11, 2018 0:59:01 GMT -5
I believe they usually have a caseworker-priest nowadays to help them answer questions the "right way." i highly doubt the questions are much more than a formality. To be honest though, I actually think some Novus Ordo marriages might actually have impediments, maybe even much more so in the past due to the ignorance and dishonesty of parties involved. Do you mean like not actually intending to have children? I know couples in NO marriage classes who have stated this. Yes, exactly.
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