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Post by jen51 on Jul 12, 2017 12:39:29 GMT -5
Munda, I too have been impressed with the ability of people from all camps to get along here. I am not sedevacantist, but I am sympathetic to that position. I rode the fence for a couple years on the issue and have settled on my current stance, though I cannot say with certainty if that is where I will stay. I believe wholeheartedly that the majority of trads are doing the very best that they can during this crises. It bothers me to no end, all of the division. At the end of the day, we are all Catholic, and we should be building each other up to be faithful Catholics.
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Post by Lynne on Jul 12, 2017 13:05:58 GMT -5
I'm sure that everyone here on this forum realizes that there is a crisis in the Church but how we cope with it varies greatly. I don't really care which group someone has hitched their boat to (sede, SSPX, NO, ICKSP, FSSP, etc) so long as they hang on tight and don't lose their faith. I hope to meet all of you in Heaven.
And I hadn't read Jen51's post so I kind of said the same thing as her. Great minds think alike...
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Post by Clotilde on Jul 12, 2017 14:36:09 GMT -5
I realize that there are all sorts of temperaments and people online do not come across as they are in real life.
However, I tend to like to develop a rapport with people who are warm and hospitable rather than be at odds with one-dimensional Arguing Machines.
I still laugh at myself for joining a particular forum thinking I would make lots of friends and everything would be nice.
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Post by mundacormeum on Jul 12, 2017 15:00:28 GMT -5
The sedevacantist thing almost made me not join here, because I am intimidated by that issue. I have no idea what to make of the crisis, one way or the other. I was afraid of being looked down upon for not being a staunch sedevacantist, or for not knowing as much as others about the ins and outs of church hierarchy. Of course, I was very wrong to think that of the people here. I've been treated with nothing but kindness and friendliness, and I've been very impressed with the dignity of how people treat each other here, even when people disagree. I apologize for my initial rash judgment. Please forgive me. I am finding that the example of those here are rubbing off on me, and encouraging me to raise the bar in my own attitudes, so thank you all for that 😊 I think it's nice to find a place where everyone seems to work hard at building up, rather than tearing down. For myself, I have had a rough history of associating too much with people inclined to this harshness. I always wondered why it never ended well. I guess I just realized it wasn't my thing. However, I understand what you are saying and I will also say that the problem of the us versus them mentality among sedevacantists has grown in recent years. I have noted it among people I've been involved with. In these conversations, I've noticed a growing rift. From my experience, people who behave this way are the same to their parents, siblings, friends, and even strangers. Their lives are filled with conflict and anger. Maybe you have been scandalized? So if you have, I apologize for those who have done so. I guess it depends what you mean by scandalized. I have never been personally attacked or offended for my views on the crisis. I rarely, if ever, contribute to sdedvacanist discussions, because a lot of it is beyond my capability to discuss in a knowledgeable way. But, over the years and with the various reading I've done online, it just seems to be a huge hot button topic. People can get down right ugly and (as you said) harsh. I've seen various "if you don't see it my way, then you're an idiot" modes of thinking that just turns me off to the topic. To be clear, I'm not saying that as a blanket statement....I realize those with that kind of mindset do not represent all who hold the sedevacantist position. Unfortunately, they do seem to post often enough to leave a bad taste in one's mouth. On the other hand, some of the kindest, humblest, most charitable posters I've seen in my short time on forums have been SV posters. I'm also not opposed to the SV position, in and of itself. I'm honestly not sure where I stand on the issue. I get overwhelmed when I start reading about it, because there is SO MUCH to process. I get lost trying to make sense of it all. So, I am trying to focus more on a good prayer life, fulfilling my duties well, church teaching, and staying in a state of grace, rather than getting bogged down with things that are beyond my control , anyway.
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Post by carloscamejo on Jul 12, 2017 22:47:21 GMT -5
For myself, I have had a rough history of associating too much with people inclined to this harshness. I always wondered why it never ended well. I guess I just realized it wasn't my thing. However, I understand what you are saying and I will also say that the problem of the us versus them mentality among sedevacantists has grown in recent years. I have noted it among people I've been involved with. In these conversations, I've noticed a growing rift. From my experience, people who behave this way are the same to their parents, siblings, friends, and even strangers. Their lives are filled with conflict and anger. Maybe you have been scandalized? So if you have, I apologize for those who have done so. I guess it depends what you mean by scandalized. I have never been personally attacked or offended for my views on the crisis. I rarely, if ever, contribute to sdedvacanist discussions, because a lot of it is beyond my capability to discuss in a knowledgeable way. But, over the years and with the various reading I've done online, it just seems to be a huge hot button topic. People can get down right ugly and (as you said) harsh. I've seen various "if you don't see it my way, then you're an idiot" modes of thinking that just turns me off to the topic. To be clear, I'm not saying that as a blanket statement....I realize those with that kind of mindset do not represent all who hold the sedevacantist position. Unfortunately, they do seem to post often enough to leave a bad taste in one's mouth. On the other hand, some of the kindest, humblest, most charitable posters I've seen in my short time on forums have been SV posters. I'm also not opposed to the SV position, in and of itself. I'm honestly not sure where I stand on the issue. I get overwhelmed when I start reading about it, because there is SO MUCH to process. I get lost trying to make sense of it all. So, I am trying to focus more on a good prayer life, fulfilling my duties well, church teaching, and staying in a state of grace, rather than getting bogged down with things that are beyond my control , anyway. That is how I wish more forum users (across all Catholic fora) would think. At the end of the day, whether the See of Peter is vacant or not is merely an opinion and the practice of our Faith comes first.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jul 13, 2017 6:08:08 GMT -5
I think alot of us are acting in this crisis like the apostles in the boat with the Lord asleep... while the storm rages
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Post by James E. Townsend on Mar 28, 2024 18:54:17 GMT -5
Beloved in the Lord: I don't think you're aware (maybe you are) that the beautiful stained-glass windows showing our Lord's crucifixion in the center with his Ascension depicted on the right etc. which is shown on your website home page is actually from the Berliner Dom (often called the "Berlin Cathedral" although not actually the seat of a bishop), a Protestant/Lutheran Church located in the center of Berlin, Germany. But that's fine! A beautiful widow is a beautiful window. Blessed Pascha, James Townsend, Lutheran minister, retired
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Post by PangeLingua on Mar 28, 2024 19:45:00 GMT -5
Beloved in the Lord: I don't think you're aware (maybe you are) that the beautiful stained-glass windows showing our Lord's crucifixion in the center with his Ascension depicted on the right etc. which is shown on your website home page is actually from the Berliner Dom (often called the "Berlin Cathedral" although not actually the seat of a bishop), a Protestant/Lutheran Church located in the center of Berlin, Germany. But that's fine! A beautiful widow is a beautiful window. Blessed Pascha, James Townsend, Lutheran minister, retired Are you aware that until 1539, this was a Roman Catholic church, and rightfully belongs still to Roman Catholics?
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Post by Caillin on Mar 29, 2024 12:49:27 GMT -5
Beloved in the Lord: I don't think you're aware (maybe you are) that the beautiful stained-glass windows showing our Lord's crucifixion in the center with his Ascension depicted on the right etc. which is shown on your website home page is actually from the Berliner Dom (often called the "Berlin Cathedral" although not actually the seat of a bishop), a Protestant/Lutheran Church located in the center of Berlin, Germany. But that's fine! A beautiful widow is a beautiful window. Blessed Pascha, James Townsend, Lutheran minister, retired Are you aware that until 1539, this was a Roman Catholic church, and rightfully belongs still to Roman Catholics? It looks like the current church was built by Protestants in the 18th c., after demolishing the Catholic church they had stolen.
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