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Post by micah1199 on Jul 14, 2017 16:04:17 GMT -5
My real hope is that Charlie has a valid baptism and will soon be entering heaven to be with Our Lord away from this wretched world.
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Post by micah1199 on Jul 14, 2017 16:05:12 GMT -5
Kim, are the parents being unreasonable in Charlie's case?
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Post by jen51 on Jul 14, 2017 19:25:58 GMT -5
I realize that Charlies condition is very grim. If the parents decided not to seek the treatments, then that is their call. But they DID decide to give their son further treatments, that another hospital would offer. The hospital has NO right to imprison the boy. The hospital here in the states even offered to get GOSH (Great Ormand Street Hospital) the equipment they needed to treat Charlie without having to move them, but GOSH refused, saying it would be a lost cause. Multiple options have been given to the hospital, but they are intent on killing him. It is nothing short of a power struggle at this point.
Even though this little boys life is precious, this one little boy is not the heart of the issue. If Charlie is killed against his parents will, the implications of what is to come for the rest of the world is staggering.
Here is my prediction: It is only a short matter of time before doctors have the power to euthanize whoever they wish.
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Post by kim on Jul 14, 2017 23:29:45 GMT -5
Kim, are the parents being unreasonable in Charlie's case? We'll sort of yes. They clearly adore this child, but yes. They've raised the money so the scary part is the EU's refusal to let them go. Where are the parents' rights? And I think Jen is right that the next step may be forced euthanasia.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Jul 14, 2017 23:46:09 GMT -5
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Post by micah1199 on Jul 15, 2017 6:20:30 GMT -5
We really have to try to always be in a state of grace. I don't believe that in ten to twenty years hospitals will be safe places. I could see myself being euthanized when sick without the chance to call a priest.
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Post by micah1199 on Jul 15, 2017 6:21:35 GMT -5
I read lifesite news and see the evil and degeneracy. It is coming quickly.
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Post by mikemac on Jul 25, 2017 21:12:34 GMT -5
It looks like it is too late for Charlie. And now the hospital won`t allow the parents to take Charlie home to die.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jul 25, 2017 21:25:27 GMT -5
We really have to try to always be in a state of grace. I don't believe that in ten to twenty years hospitals will be safe places. I could see myself being euthanized when sick without the chance to call a priest. Hospital isnt safe now. You increase your risk of disease exponentially just by being admitted. Every third employee is an incompetent hack from admin to janitor. The only trustworthy for the most part are the emergency nurses.
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Post by micah1199 on Jul 26, 2017 6:32:02 GMT -5
As if I needed more reason to hate the world and its pomps. That judge is evil.
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Post by jen51 on Jul 26, 2017 12:35:21 GMT -5
It looks like it is too late for Charlie. And now the hospital won`t allow the parents to take Charlie home to die. What a bitter end. That evil judge and those power hungry doctors will have to answer to God for the injustice done to one of his little ones. Little Charlie was baptized, and will soon take his place with the saints. In that I envy him!
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Post by chestertonian on Jul 26, 2017 22:01:00 GMT -5
It is withdrawing extraordinary medical treatment (mechanical ventilation) not murder. The real "death sentence" is Charlie's mitochondrial DNA depletion which is what actually caused the encephalopathy (brain damage) and respiratory failure.
Would be interested in who the dr is who says he can offer experimental treatment and I'd be interested to know what the treatment is. It's upsetting that the state isn't allowing the parents to make the decision but it isn't the same thing as murder and precise language is important.
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Post by kim on Jul 27, 2017 1:21:18 GMT -5
It is withdrawing extraordinary medical treatment (mechanical ventilation) not murder. The real "death sentence" is Charlie's mitochondrial DNA depletion which is what actually caused the encephalopathy (brain damage) and respiratory failure. Would be interested in who the dr is who says he can offer experimental treatment and I'd be interested to know what the treatment is. It's upsetting that the state isn't allowing the parents to make the decision but it isn't the same thing as murder and precise language is important. It's interesting to me that on a trad site we can reasonably discuss this. On every pro-life Novus Ordo dominated site where this is discussed I have been called an evil person who wants to murder baby Charlie. We are very pro-life here in accordance with the Church's teachings, but the Novus Ordites ignore their own 1983 catechism which states that such extraordinary treatment (ventilator) is not required. Some pro-life Novus Ordites and Protestants would have us putting every nursing home 90 year old on a vent and feed pump to keep them living way past their expiration date.
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Post by kim on Jul 27, 2017 1:29:03 GMT -5
It is withdrawing extraordinary medical treatment (mechanical ventilation) not murder. The real "death sentence" is Charlie's mitochondrial DNA depletion which is what actually caused the encephalopathy (brain damage) and respiratory failure. Would be interested in who the dr is who says he can offer experimental treatment and I'd be interested to know what the treatment is. It's upsetting that the state isn't allowing the parents to make the decision but it isn't the same thing as murder and precise language is important. The treatment offered a wee bit of hope for tiny improvements but should have been offered much earlier. It did NOT offer a cure. It's too late for it now. I take care of a kid w/ mitochondrial disorder. There are varying degrees of it. My kid is 10 and is very weak but can walk with a great deal of assistance. He is mentally retarded and non-verbal and knows 3 signs only--hungry, more and stop. He is able to take sips of water and will only eat small amounts of crunchy junk food like goldfish. He very seldom smiles and makes no eye contact with people and doesn't give any indication that he understands anything that is said to him. He is tube fed and currently breathes on his own. He started life seeming completely normal but has slowly deteriorated and will continue to do so. His mom says that when he reaches the point where he needs to be trached and placed on a vent, she will probably not choose to do so. The family are devoutly evangelical Protestant. Charles Darwin is believed to have had a very very mild version of mitochondrial disorder. Clearly Charlie Gard has a very aggressive and devastating form of the disease. According to an article I read yesterday---they only just now got him baptized and the couple are not married.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Jul 27, 2017 5:38:52 GMT -5
This is evil not because of the witholding of useless treatment...but because of the hospital destroying and usurping the rights if the Parents to withdraw the Child and try something else. What if they wanted to take him to Lourdes? The hospital stole their child.. and as I read it the delay and controversy doomed the child to zero medical hope. And Kim I appreciate the professional angle...but that being said...your description of the ill child you know is lacking. Your patient has a soul...and no one but God knows what its state is. Your patient for all we know might be a great Saint in Gods eyes...hidden like a pearl in a damaged field. Im sure its hard to be a nurse...hardest job in medicine...especially treating kids. I hope for you to not become too jaded...look past the infirmary...See Christ. Not saying you dont do that already...but praying for you to have even more peace.Thank God for good nurses.
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