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Post by lamentabili on Aug 28, 2023 9:54:41 GMT -5
I’m a Catholic who rejects Vatican II and believes that the Holy See is currently vacant. I’ve been enjoying reading the threads here from time to time and thought that I should introduce myself. I have found some of the discussions here to be very insightful.
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Post by RitaMarita on Sept 5, 2023 6:39:23 GMT -5
I’m a Catholic who rejects Vatican II and believes that the Holy See is currently vacant. I’ve been enjoying reading the threads here from time to time and thought that I should introduce myself. I have found some of the discussions here to be very insightful. JMJ Welcome to the forum! 😇
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Post by John Lewis on Sept 5, 2023 21:07:38 GMT -5
I’m a Catholic who rejects Vatican II and believes that the Holy See is currently vacant. I’ve been enjoying reading the threads here from time to time and thought that I should introduce myself. I have found some of the discussions here to be very insightful. JMJ Welcome. Are you on X/twitter?
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Sept 6, 2023 11:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 6, 2023 11:18:27 GMT -5
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Post by lamentabili on Sept 6, 2023 13:39:40 GMT -5
I’m a Catholic who rejects Vatican II and believes that the Holy See is currently vacant. I’ve been enjoying reading the threads here from time to time and thought that I should introduce myself. I have found some of the discussions here to be very insightful. JMJ Welcome. Are you on X/twitter? Thanks. Yes, here: twitter.com/Lamentabili
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Post by John Lewis on Sept 6, 2023 15:31:59 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought I recognised your username but wanted to be sure you were the same person 😊 Welcome Xavier. Do you pronounce your name as Ha-vee-er or Ex-ay-v-er? I read a recent tweet of yours that states that the code of Canon law 1917 was promulgated for the Universal Church. Is this also true of the 1983 code or was that just for the Latin Rite? I ask as this is what a local SSPX priest told me, but I don't know whether this is correct or not.
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Post by lamentabili on Sept 7, 2023 13:15:51 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought I recognised your username but wanted to be sure you were the same person 😊 Welcome Xavier. Do you pronounce your name as Ha-vee-er or Ex-ay-v-er? I read a recent tweet of yours that states that the code of Canon law 1917 was promulgated for the Universal Church. Is this also true of the 1983 code or was that just for the Latin Rite? I ask as this is what a local SSPX priest told me, but I don't know whether this is correct or not. Thank you. It’s actually Zah-vee-ay. From what I know, the 1983 Code was only meant for the Latin Church: “Can. 1 The canons of this Code regard only the Latin Church” And John Paul II in Sacrae Disciplinae Leges said the following: “Trusting therefore in the help of divine grace, sustained by the authority of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, with certain knowledge, and in response to the wishes of the bishops of the whole world who have collaborated with me in a collegial spirit; with the supreme authority with which I am vested, by means of this Constitution, to be valid forever in the future, I promulgate the present Code as it has been set in order and revised. I command that for the future it is to have the force of law for the whole Latin Church, and I entrust it to the watchful care of all those concerned, in order that it may be observed.” The Easterners follow the 1991 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, which contains at least some of the same errors found in the 1983 Code.
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Post by Pacelli on Sept 7, 2023 16:01:09 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum!
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Post by John Lewis on Sept 7, 2023 22:40:20 GMT -5
Thanks, I thought I recognised your username but wanted to be sure you were the same person 😊 Welcome Xavier. Do you pronounce your name as Ha-vee-er or Ex-ay-v-er? I read a recent tweet of yours that states that the code of Canon law 1917 was promulgated for the Universal Church. Is this also true of the 1983 code or was that just for the Latin Rite? I ask as this is what a local SSPX priest told me, but I don't know whether this is correct or not. Thank you. It’s actually Zah-vee-ay. From what I know, the 1983 Code was only meant for the Latin Church: “Can. 1 The canons of this Code regard only the Latin Church” And John Paul II in Sacrae Disciplinae Leges said the following: “Trusting therefore in the help of divine grace, sustained by the authority of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, with certain knowledge, and in response to the wishes of the bishops of the whole world who have collaborated with me in a collegial spirit; with the supreme authority with which I am vested, by means of this Constitution, to be valid forever in the future, I promulgate the present Code as it has been set in order and revised. I command that for the future it is to have the force of law for the whole Latin Church, and I entrust it to the watchful care of all those concerned, in order that it may be observed.” The Easterners follow the 1991 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, which contains at least some of the same errors found in the 1983 Code. Do you know which errors are shared? This could be an example of universal discipline that is infallible in nature and therefore if there are serious errors it could not have come from the Church.
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Sept 8, 2023 12:45:14 GMT -5
Post by lamentabili on Sept 8, 2023 12:45:14 GMT -5
Thank you. It’s actually Zah-vee-ay. From what I know, the 1983 Code was only meant for the Latin Church: “Can. 1 The canons of this Code regard only the Latin Church” And John Paul II in Sacrae Disciplinae Leges said the following: “Trusting therefore in the help of divine grace, sustained by the authority of the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, with certain knowledge, and in response to the wishes of the bishops of the whole world who have collaborated with me in a collegial spirit; with the supreme authority with which I am vested, by means of this Constitution, to be valid forever in the future, I promulgate the present Code as it has been set in order and revised. I command that for the future it is to have the force of law for the whole Latin Church, and I entrust it to the watchful care of all those concerned, in order that it may be observed.” The Easterners follow the 1991 Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches, which contains at least some of the same errors found in the 1983 Code. Do you know which errors are shared? This could be an example of universal discipline that is infallible in nature and therefore if there are serious errors it could not have come from the Church. Yes, giving Holy Communion to non-Catholics, and allowing Catholics to actively participate in non-Catholic rites, for example.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 8, 2023 20:27:36 GMT -5
Do you know which errors are shared? This could be an example of universal discipline that is infallible in nature and therefore if there are serious errors it could not have come from the Church. Yes, giving Holy Communion to non-Catholics, and allowing Catholics to actively participate in non-Catholic rites, for example. Who does that?
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Sept 9, 2023 20:02:33 GMT -5
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Post by John Lewis on Sept 9, 2023 20:02:33 GMT -5
Do you know which errors are shared? This could be an example of universal discipline that is infallible in nature and therefore if there are serious errors it could not have come from the Church. Yes, giving Holy Communion to non-Catholics, and allowing Catholics to actively participate in non-Catholic rites, for example. Thanks for letting me know.
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Sept 10, 2023 3:43:01 GMT -5
Post by lamentabili on Sept 10, 2023 3:43:01 GMT -5
Yes, giving Holy Communion to non-Catholics, and allowing Catholics to actively participate in non-Catholic rites, for example. Who does that? The Conciliar Church.
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Sept 10, 2023 6:10:38 GMT -5
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 10, 2023 6:10:38 GMT -5
Ive not seen it done in the Eastern Rite
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Post by wenceslav on Sept 10, 2023 13:37:03 GMT -5
Ive not seen it done in the Eastern Rite Hi Vox, I know we covered this before. But Eastern “Orthodox” are quite welcome to receive Holy Communion in a Ukrainian Catholic parish. I know this is quite common throughout Canada and in Ukraine. It is the official stance of the synod of Ukrainian bishops in Ukraine (see ecumenical documents of the synod which I have cited on this forum before). It is scandalous issue to many Trads and old timer Ukrainian Catholic friends because the parishes I have attended here are small and the priest knows which people are schismatics but proceeds to give out holy communion, anyway. They even advertise it in their bulletins or on online. For example, See following URL about half way down. URL: stjosephukr.com/resources/liturgies/etiquette/#:~:text=All%20Orthodox%20are%20encouraged%20to,in%20the%20spirit%20of%20Oeconomia.
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