Caillin
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Post by Caillin on Mar 29, 2023 11:22:26 GMT -5
On rare occaisions, I've gone to SSPX chapels for Mass where I know the priest's orders are valid. I've also called at times to make sure there weren't any recent visiting priests of doubtful validity, since there may be hosts left there that were consecrated by him. It would be helpful to see a list of SSPX Priests with N.O. Orders, and what chapels they serve. I can't name any off the top of my head, and don't have time to research right now. But if anyone else has time, it would be nice to see the information of these priests posted here. Thanks!
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Post by Pacelli on Mar 29, 2023 19:18:12 GMT -5
It's a good idea. I know of a few, and will start making a list. The website, Catholic Candle publishes a list of as many SSPX priests as they can research, with ordination information including which bishop ordained them.
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Post by Didymus on Mar 30, 2023 9:31:20 GMT -5
It's a good idea. I know of a few, and will start making a list. The website, Catholic Candle publishes a list of as many SSPX priests as they can research, with ordination information including which bishop ordained them. This page is anti-sedevacantist and also anti-neo FSSPX. Is there currently a real danger that the FSSPX will reconcile?
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Post by sdwright on Mar 30, 2023 9:51:24 GMT -5
It's a good idea. I know of a few, and will start making a list. The website, Catholic Candle publishes a list of as many SSPX priests as they can research, with ordination information including which bishop ordained them. Not a criticism of the list, but like pretty much everything, it's not necessarily 100% accurate - noticed a while ago that it said that Fr Michael Mary Sim (of the Redemptorists, now Indult) was ordained in the Novus Ordo. He was indeed, but there's public record of his conditional ordination by Archbishop Lefebvre. The admins of the list updated it to reflect this, of course.
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Post by Pacelli on Mar 30, 2023 9:59:15 GMT -5
It's a good idea. I know of a few, and will start making a list. The website, Catholic Candle publishes a list of as many SSPX priests as they can research, with ordination information including which bishop ordained them. This page is anti-sedevacantist and also anti-neo FSSPX. Is there currently a real danger that the FSSPX will reconcile? The Catholic Candle page is toxic, their spirit is very aggressive and nasty in tone. With that said, they are the only ones that are actually tracking the orders of SSPX priests, so despite their rhetoric, it is helping Catholics figure out whose orders are certainly valid in the SSPX among others.
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Post by Pacelli on Mar 30, 2023 10:02:59 GMT -5
It's a good idea. I know of a few, and will start making a list. The website, Catholic Candle publishes a list of as many SSPX priests as they can research, with ordination information including which bishop ordained them. Not a criticism of the list, but like pretty much everything, it's not necessarily 100% accurate - noticed a while ago that it said that Fr Michael Mary Sim (of the Redemptorists, now Indult) was ordained in the Novus Ordo. He was indeed, but there's public record of his conditional ordination by Archbishop Lefebvre. The admins of the list updated it to reflect this, of course. Thanks for that. I am going to put a list on here of SSPX priests or those who work with SSPX whose orders might be of the Paul VI rite, and secondly on that same list, in a separate section, priests who were ordained in the Paul VI rite but were conditionally ordained. I will put him on the conditionally ordained list when I get it started, which will hopefully be soon.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Mar 30, 2023 16:12:35 GMT -5
My good friend Father Sam Waters was paul6 but then conditionally ordained by Bishop Willamson
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Post by John Lewis on Mar 31, 2023 12:22:55 GMT -5
It's a good idea. I know of a few, and will start making a list. The website, Catholic Candle publishes a list of as many SSPX priests as they can research, with ordination information including which bishop ordained them. Not a criticism of the list, but like pretty much everything, it's not necessarily 100% accurate - noticed a while ago that it said that Fr Michael Mary Sim (of the Redemptorists, now Indult) was ordained in the Novus Ordo. He was indeed, but there's public record of his conditional ordination by Archbishop Lefebvre. The admins of the list updated it to reflect this, of course. Welcome to the forums S.D. Wright!
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Post by RitaMarita on Apr 5, 2023 7:10:39 GMT -5
I have been thinking that it would be a good idea to have a list of this especially with the new "traditional ban" of Bergoglio which might cause a lot of people to run to the SSPX.
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Post by John Lewis on Apr 7, 2023 2:46:55 GMT -5
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 7, 2023 19:48:28 GMT -5
It’s certainly a problem, and Mario Derksen captured the issue very well in his post.
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Post by John Lewis on Apr 8, 2023 2:30:02 GMT -5
It’s certainly a problem, and Mario Derksen captured the issue very well in his post. We really need to pray that God gives them the grace to sort everything out. This situation is very problematic.
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 8, 2023 16:30:59 GMT -5
It’s certainly a problem, and Mario Derksen captured the issue very well in his post. We really need to pray that God gives them the grace to sort everything out. This situation is very problematic. Well, it all goes back to the study done by Fr. Pierre Marie and is one main reason why SSPX is convinced that the new consecration rite of bishops is valid. From my understanding of their development of thought on this, it is that they were convinced years ago that the rite is essentially an eastern rite, or based on the ancient rite of Hippolytus, therefore it is valid. This study has been debunked, but the question now is how to get them to look at the evidence against it and reconsider their conclusion. I don't believe for a second that the SSPX leadership would knowingly allow their organization to provide potentially invalid sacraments, or that they are doing this for political reasons, and I do believe that they are doing this because they are convinced by the Pierre-Marie study. I can't remember now where I read this, as it was many years ago, but my recollection is that Archbishop Lefebvre also had serious concerns about the new rite of consecration of bishops, but was assured by Fr. Schmidberger that the Paul VI rite was taken from an eastern rite, and based on that, all doubt ended. Fwiw, they are acting consistently, even though the polemicists are saying otherwise. The issue with the blessed oils is the same issue of allowing priests to work with the SSPX who were ordained by bishops of the new rite. The problem is that they have been convinced based in incorrect evidence that the rite is certainly valid. This can be ended of course by praying for them, but secondly, the matter of the new rite needs to be studied more in depth and the facts presented to the SSPX leadership again. IMO, I don't think they take Fr. Cekada seriously, and will not even consider his study. It needs to be done by someone else.
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Post by Caillin on Mar 17, 2024 9:29:16 GMT -5
It looks like this Fr. Yvon Fillebeen will be a new-rite SSPX priest serving Our Lady of Victories Church in Manila, Philippines (not Las Vegas, as I initially thought).
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Post by anthonyabhilesh on Mar 17, 2024 11:17:12 GMT -5
It is Our Lady of Victories in Manila Philippines
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