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Post by RitaMarita on Nov 20, 2022 19:11:15 GMT -5
Pacelli Just a question and side note… Did the RCI require the priests trained for Dolan to sign? And if so, did they all sign? The reason I ask is because certain persons were upset about signing things against other Catholics with regard to SSPV and SSPX. If so, well, I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this. For the record, no one should be signing statements for any traditionalist organization. No one asked, but I will just keep saying it anyway. I don’t believe the Dolan group of seminarians studying at Sanborn’s “seminary” had to sign to the RCI’s three “directories” since they were not joining Sanborn’s group. I think Catholics should never compromise to sign any statement that any of these unauthorized men are forcing them to sign. If your lawful diocesan bishop or a pope wants you to sign a statement to your Faith, fine, but don’t sign anything for these men. I absolutely agree with this! If only the traditional Catholic priests would be more humble like Father Joseph Collins was... If only they would act as real missionary priests and not try to bind people in unorthodox ways... 😣
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Post by Pacelli on Nov 20, 2022 19:25:44 GMT -5
I don’t believe the Dolan group of seminarians studying at Sanborn’s “seminary” had to sign to the RCI’s three “directories” since they were not joining Sanborn’s group. I think Catholics should never compromise to sign any statement that any of these unauthorized men are forcing them to sign. If your lawful diocesan bishop or a pope wants you to sign a statement to your Faith, fine, but don’t sign anything for these men. I absolutely agree with this! If only the traditional Catholic priests would be more humble like Father Joseph Collins was... If only they would act as real missionary priests and not try to bind people in unorthodox ways... 😣 Very well said Rita. Fr. Collins was in my opinion the best of the best. He should be the model for all traditional priests. He was both humble and was a master of theology and canon law and clearly understood the role of traditional priests in our crisis. May he Rest In Peace!
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Post by Clotilde on Nov 20, 2022 19:37:29 GMT -5
I don’t believe the Dolan group of seminarians studying at Sanborn’s “seminary” had to sign to the RCI’s three “directories” since they were not joining Sanborn’s group. I think Catholics should never compromise to sign any statement that any of these unauthorized men are forcing them to sign. If your lawful diocesan bishop or a pope wants you to sign a statement to your Faith, fine, but don’t sign anything for these men. I absolutely agree with this! If only the traditional Catholic priests would be more humble like Father Joseph Collins was... If only they would act as real missionary priests and not try to bind people in unorthodox ways... 😣 We could probably have a thread on Fr. Collins and his greatness once a week. So sorely missed! God rest his soul.
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Post by Pacelli on Nov 20, 2022 19:40:56 GMT -5
On topic with Pacelli's original post: I usually tell people who ask me the status of traditional Catholic priests that (in this irregular situation of the Church) traditional Catholic priests have no normal jurisdiction and so people are not bound under pain of sin to go to them for the Sacraments. Going to their Masses technically would not fulfill one's normal Sunday obligation as technically one is supposed to attend their local parish Mass for that. Yet, in our day and age, it is allowable and even profitable to attend Mass and receive Sacraments from these irregularly started traditional groups because there is no other option (for most of us at least). *** Concerning Bishop Sanborn's New seminary... There are people I know who have said that his "break-up" with SGG and Dolan has mellowed him out a bit and that he has been more sympathetic towards people who don't agree with him on everything. I would love to see the seminary if it was close by us. Our oldest son's godfather plans to join the seminary next fall and he is not strictly "non-una cum". I am quite sure that those who accepted him know this. It will be interesting to see how everything goes for him. That being said... Vox, if you don't go out of your way to disagree with them, I think that they might be generally more agreeable and they might not even bother to ask you about your "non una cum" beliefs. I agree with you Rita, Catholics should get to mass wherever and whenever they can, and only not go if there are very good reasons to not do so. I hope your son’s godfather will not sign those awful directories being imposed by RCI if he goes there. Has he ever thought about CMRI, their training is the best out of all the sedevacantists, at least as far as learning theology goes, and as far as I can see they are the only group that actually understands the crisis correctly. CMRI, unlike the others for example does not reject Pius XII’s laws and force prospective priests to sign a statement saying they will reject his laws, and they also clearly state that Catholics are free to go to any mass, and thereby reject Fr. Cekada and Bp. Sanborn’s junk theology that states that going to SSPX or others such as that is a mortal sin and akin to offering incense to false gods. I’m happy to hear Bishop Sanborn is changing, I haven’t heard that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 4:22:30 GMT -5
Pacelli Just a question and side note… Did the RCI require the priests trained for Dolan to sign? And if so, did they all sign? The reason I ask is because certain persons were upset about signing things against other Catholics with regard to SSPV and SSPX. If so, well, I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this. For the record, no one should be signing statements for any traditionalist organisation. No one asked, but I will just keep saying it anyway. No, the SGG priests aren't part of the RCI so wouldn't have been required to sign anything. Can I ask which groups were asked to sign things against the SSPV and SSPX?
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Post by Clotilde on Nov 21, 2022 9:49:01 GMT -5
Pacelli Just a question and side note… Did the RCI require the priests trained for Dolan to sign? And if so, did they all sign? The reason I ask is because certain persons were upset about signing things against other Catholics with regard to SSPV and SSPX. If so, well, I’m sure you can see where I’m going with this. For the record, no one should be signing statements for any traditionalist organisation. No one asked, but I will just keep saying it anyway. No, the SGG priests aren't part of the RCI so wouldn't have been required to sign anything. Can I ask which groups were asked to sign things against the SSPV and SSPX? You have it sort of backwards, but I was pointing out that one group is more tolerant of the signing of things when their side (or former side) is doing so meanwhile, they are offended when their perceived opponents do the same.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Nov 21, 2022 12:27:24 GMT -5
I will be interviewing Fr. Samuel Waters Ordaining bishop: Conciliar Bishop, John Cardinal Karol Date of ordination: 1982 Conditionally ordained by: +Richard Williamson On Sun Dec 11. I was going to make the topic...a week in the life of an Independant Priest Are there any questions or topics you would like to have mentioned. This Priest is a personal Friend of my Family
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2022 19:30:13 GMT -5
No, the SGG priests aren't part of the RCI so wouldn't have been required to sign anything. Can I ask which groups were asked to sign things against the SSPV and SSPX? You have it sort of backwards, but I was pointing out that one group is more tolerant of the signing of things when their side (or former side) is doing so meanwhile, they are offended when their perceived opponents do the same. I don't know much about the SSPX or SSPV, but I've read Bp Sanborn's public letter about the Consecration of Bp Kelly by Bp Mendez I believe and his response in the Sacred and Profane using Court-sworn testimony. It was very sad to read it but not surprised after reading Bp Sanborn's hit piece in his newsletter on Fr Cekada and Bp Dolan after the latter died.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Nov 23, 2022 13:33:28 GMT -5
so no one has any questions for Father Sam?
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Post by Pacelli on Nov 23, 2022 18:24:39 GMT -5
so no one has any questions for Father Sam? Hi Voxx, I wish I could give you some questions for him, but I can't think of any, I will say this though: the fact that you think of him so highly tells me that I wouldn't have any problem with him. He's bringing the sacraments to people who need them and isn't causing trouble or fomenting schism, so that's great as well. I hope Catholics will go to him in your area and avoid the sectarian group that has moved in. Based on what you have put on this forum about him, if I ever moved to your area, I would be happy and honored to go to mass there.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Nov 23, 2022 20:35:05 GMT -5
Yeah I didnt expect anyone would find him problematic...I just maybe folks would be curious about the details of His priesthood or his thoughts on certain crisis topics
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Post by RitaMarita on Nov 28, 2022 13:52:50 GMT -5
Yeah I didnt expect anyone would find him problematic...I just maybe folks would be curious about the details of His priesthood or his thoughts on certain crisis topics I would be interested to hear about his conversion story from Novus ordo military priest and how he came to tradition.
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Post by RitaMarita on Nov 28, 2022 13:54:05 GMT -5
I absolutely agree with this! If only the traditional Catholic priests would be more humble like Father Joseph Collins was... If only they would act as real missionary priests and not try to bind people in unorthodox ways... 😣 Very well said Rita. Fr. Collins was in my opinion the best of the best. He should be the model for all traditional priests. He was both humble and was a master of theology and canon law and clearly understood the role of traditional priests in our crisis. May he Rest In Peace! Amen! So true! 😇
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Post by RitaMarita on Nov 28, 2022 13:57:53 GMT -5
On topic with Pacelli's original post: I usually tell people who ask me the status of traditional Catholic priests that (in this irregular situation of the Church) traditional Catholic priests have no normal jurisdiction and so people are not bound under pain of sin to go to them for the Sacraments. Going to their Masses technically would not fulfill one's normal Sunday obligation as technically one is supposed to attend their local parish Mass for that. Yet, in our day and age, it is allowable and even profitable to attend Mass and receive Sacraments from these irregularly started traditional groups because there is no other option (for most of us at least). *** Concerning Bishop Sanborn's New seminary... There are people I know who have said that his "break-up" with SGG and Dolan has mellowed him out a bit and that he has been more sympathetic towards people who don't agree with him on everything. I would love to see the seminary if it was close by us. Our oldest son's godfather plans to join the seminary next fall and he is not strictly "non-una cum". I am quite sure that those who accepted him know this. It will be interesting to see how everything goes for him. That being said... Vox, if you don't go out of your way to disagree with them, I think that they might be generally more agreeable and they might not even bother to ask you about your "non una cum" beliefs. I agree with you Rita, Catholics should get to mass wherever and whenever they can, and only not go if there are very good reasons to not do so. I hope your son’s godfather will not sign those awful directories being imposed by RCI if he goes there. Has he ever thought about CMRI, their training is the best out of all the sedevacantists, at least as far as learning theology goes, and as far as I can see they are the only group that actually understands the crisis correctly. CMRI, unlike the others for example does not reject Pius XII’s laws and force prospective priests to sign a statement saying they will reject his laws, and they also clearly state that Catholics are free to go to any mass, and thereby reject Fr. Cekada and Bp. Sanborn’s junk theology that states that going to SSPX or others such as that is a mortal sin and akin to offering incense to false gods. I’m happy to hear Bishop Sanborn is changing, I haven’t heard that. I think that our son's godfather has looked into the CMRI as well and then decided that the new Reading,PA Seminary with Bishop Sanborn was the best fit for him. He doesn't agree with Bishop Sanborn on everything but he does loves the old pre-Pius XII Holy Week. Father Ringrose has been doing it at Saint Athanasius for years and Father Joseph Collins was a big support of it as well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2022 2:27:16 GMT -5
Concerning Bishop Sanborn's New seminary... There are people I know who have said that his "break-up" with SGG and Dolan has mellowed him out a bit and that he has been more sympathetic towards people who don't agree with him on everything. That's really rather interesting. I wonder whether he's finally realised he'll find it a lot easier if he has many friends in low places as opposed to alienating everyone.
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