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Post by wenceslav on Oct 12, 2017 16:49:58 GMT -5
Hi Vox
Please don’t make inaccurate statements I.e regarding drips of water. Please re-read the teplota thread.
Thanks
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Post by wenceslav on Oct 12, 2017 17:08:27 GMT -5
Yes the blanket statement: i said Actually it is not a blanket statement. You just quoted the first part. . I qualified with : I have known many cases where this has happened.... Many is not all unless you’re a Modernist translator of the NO liturgy- joke! So I’m not going to refine my statement because there’s nothing to refine.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 12, 2017 17:58:55 GMT -5
Fwiw, I see the eastern rites where the Roman Rite was in 1967-1968, right before the Novus Ordo. At this time the Roman rite was being ruined, but it was still intact, it had not yet become the Novus Ordo of Paul VI. Catholics did not like the changes, but could still in good conscience go to their parishes.
Heresy was being taught, and had been taught even by the Council and Paul VI, but Catholics still remained in their parishes. The 1969 Novus Ordo was the straw that broke the camel's back, and Catholics in large numbers realized they must abandon their parishes. The eastern rites, at least most of them are right on this line.
In my opinion, it may be that some eastern rites, even in toto, may defect, but I do not believe all of them will defect. If that happens, it will mean that every legitimate parish on earth has defected. I do not think that is likely, and I am not sure it is even possible.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 12, 2017 20:48:50 GMT -5
Hi Vox Please don’t make inaccurate statements I.e regarding drips of water. Please re-read the teplota thread. Thanks I have watched this in the byzantines AT altar...its barely a splash...but I guess my personal anectdotal evidence doesn't rise to your personal anectdotal evidence.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 12, 2017 20:58:12 GMT -5
Fwiw, I see the eastern rites where the Roman Rite was in 1967-1968, right before the Novus Ordo. At this time the Roman rite was being ruined, but it was still intact, it had not yet become the Novus Ordo of Paul VI. Catholics did not like the changes, but could still in good comsciemce go to their parishes. Heresy was being taught, and had been taught even by the Council and Paul VI, but Catholics still remained in their parishes. The 1969 Novus Ordo was the straw that broke the camel's back, and Catholics in large numbers realized they must abandon their parishes. The eastern rites, at least most of them are right on this line. In my opinion, it may be that some eastern rites, even in toto, may defect, but I do not believe all of them will defect. If that happens, it will mean that every legitimate parish on earth has defected. I do not think that is likely, and I am not sure it is even possible. Is God a deceiver? Its not possible.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 12, 2017 21:02:00 GMT -5
Yes the blanket statement: i said Actually it is not a blanket statement. You just quoted the first part. . I qualified with : I have known many cases where this has happened.... Many is not all unless you’re a Modernist translator of the NO liturgy- joke! So I’m not going to refine my statement because there’s nothing to refine. Then you need to google proper rhetoric. Your follow up comment DOES NOTHING to remediate the impression of your initial broad... innacurate...and sloppy comment. Im not asking for a retraction.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 12, 2017 21:03:03 GMT -5
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 12, 2017 22:34:23 GMT -5
Fwiw, I see the eastern rites where the Roman Rite was in 1967-1968, right before the Novus Ordo. At this time the Roman rite was being ruined, but it was still intact, it had not yet become the Novus Ordo of Paul VI. Catholics did not like the changes, but could still in good comsciemce go to their parishes. Heresy was being taught, and had been taught even by the Council and Paul VI, but Catholics still remained in their parishes. The 1969 Novus Ordo was the straw that broke the camel's back, and Catholics in large numbers realized they must abandon their parishes. The eastern rites, at least most of them are right on this line. In my opinion, it may be that some eastern rites, even in toto, may defect, but I do not believe all of them will defect. If that happens, it will mean that every legitimate parish on earth has defected. I do not think that is likely, and I am not sure it is even possible. Is God a deceiver? Its not possible. It's not clear how much further things can get. Is it possible for every lawful parish to defect, but have some old bishop and some laypeople who all don't even know each other as the visible Church? I'm not sure, clearly God is allowing us to see how far it can go.
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Post by wenceslav on Oct 13, 2017 20:31:02 GMT -5
Hi Vox,
I am a guest in your house i.e. forum. I didn’t mean to make my statement seem so general. I apologize.
I do stand by own experience but you are correct I cannot convict every Ukr. Priest of being anti-sede or ant-SSPX. But most do recognize Francis as the Pope, and consequently the legitimacy of the entire NO apparatus. Hence the danger of recognizing a false Pope.
Good Weekend
PS I will finish up with some research on the Teplota. I need to go to my University’s library so please stay tuned. Thanks
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 13, 2017 23:49:33 GMT -5
Hi Vox, I am a guest in your house i.e. forum. I didn’t mean to make my statement seem so general. I apologize. I do stand by own experience but you are correct I cannot convict every Ukr. Priest of being anti-sede or ant-SSPX. But most do recognize Francis as the Pope, and consequently the legitimacy of the entire NO apparatus. Hence the danger of recognizing a false Pope. Good Weekend PS I will finish up with some research on the Teplota. I need to go to my University’s library so please stay tuned. Thanks Thank you...I think it should be noted that even very good priests may not be able to conceptualize the sede position. So when you say "most" recognize frank as Pope its not completely damnable considering the circumstances.
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