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Post by Pacelli on Sept 28, 2017 20:46:40 GMT -5
Hutton Gibson
AKA Hutton P. Gibson Born: 26-Aug-1918 Birthplace: Peekskill, NY Gender: Male Religion: See Note [1] Race or Ethnicity: White Occupation: Relative Nationality: United States Executive summary: Father of Mel Gibson Military service: US Army (Infantry and Signal Corps, WWII) As a young man, Hutton Gibson studied for the priesthood, but balked when offered a choice between a parish in New Guinea or another in the Philippines. He briefly delivered telegraphs for Western Union, then worked for decades as a railroad brakeman, until a work injury forced his early retirement. He won $4,680 on the Art Fleming version of Jeopardy in 1968, and spent his winnings relocating his family to Australia, to help his sons avoid the Vietnam war draft. When he became worried about the heathen ways of the Catholic church, Gibson joined the a splinter group called the Latin Mass Society. He rose to the position of secretary before being booted for being too outspoken in his criticisms of Pope John Paul II. His children all full-grown, the elder Gibson has returned to America, where he has settled in a small town outside Houston. He is now a member of The Alliance for Catholic Traditions, a tiny schismatic sect of old believers who still hold worship services in Latin, and view the revisions of the Second Vatican Council in the early 1960s as a shadowy plot by Jews and Masons to take control of the Catholic church. And the plot worked, they believe, so the Pope isn't really the Pope -- he is an imposter, working covertly to destroy Catholicism. Gibson is widely reported to be a Holocaust denier, but he bristles at the term. He says he doesn't "deny" the Holocaust, he just thinks it was "exaggerated". "They claimed that there were 6.2 million [Jews] in Poland before the war and after the war there were 200,000, therefore [Hitler] must have killed six-million of them." But Gibson thinks he knows better. "They simply got up and left," he says. "They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn and Sydney and Los Angeles." He believes that it wasn't al Qaeda that comandeered four jets on September 11, but Jews -- using remote control to pilot the planes. He also says evolution is bunk, and believes in the rhythm method of birth control (Gibson has eleven children). The family doesn't celebrate Christmas with presents, because Gibson views it only as a religious holy day. Like the character his son played in Conspiracy Theory, Gibson publishes a small-scale newsletter. It is called The War Is Now, and has "several hundred" subscribers, he says. He is also the author of such self-published "non-fiction" titles as Is the Pope Catholic? and The Enemy Is Here!. [1] Church of the Holy Family, Malibu, CA. Father: John Hutton Gibson (plumbing supply dealer, d. 1936) Mother: Eva Mylott (opera singer, b. 1875, d. 1921 childbirth) Brother: Alexander Mylott (b. 1921) Wife: Anne Gibson (d. Dec-1990) Daughter: Patricia Gibson Daughter: Sheila Gibson Daughter: Mary Bridget Gibson Son: Kevin Gibson Daughter: Maura Gibson Son: Mel Gibson Son: Daniel Gibson (twin) Son: Christopher Gibson (twin) Son: Donal Gibson (industrial painter, actor, Conspiracy Theory, b. 13-Feb-1958) Daughter: Anne Gibson Son: Andrew Gibson High School: (1934) Evolution Skeptics Western Union TELEVISION Jeopardy! contestant, won $4,680 (1968) Official Website: www.huttongibson.com/SOURCE
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Post by kim on Sept 29, 2017 17:44:11 GMT -5
He maintains a copy of Nikita Roncalli:Life of a Counterpope online. Fascinating read!
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Post by heinrich on Oct 2, 2017 19:53:46 GMT -5
I have heard him speak: He does not believe any of your sede orders are valid.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 2, 2017 23:05:14 GMT -5
I have heard him speak: He does not believe any of your sede orders are valid. That's fine, the Church has not settled the matter. He doesn't say anyone must believe him, he just says what he thinks and waits for authority to settle things. FWIW, I don't agree with him on many points, especially his idea that the +Lefebvre line might be invalid, but at the same time, I realize that his idea is not just a made up idea of a crazyman, it's based on a distrust of freemasons, which is a good thing. If +Lienart was a Mason, which in my opinion is not a settled question, then Gibson has a legitimate concern, and he has the right to ask the Pope to judge the matter. I can't help but admiring a man that was one of the first to publicly recognize the heretical fake pope Paul VI, and the fake "Popes" who came after him. Mr. Gibson will be 100 years old next year, and half of his life has been responding to the Conciliar sect and urging Catholics to flee from it. No Catholic has any obligation to "traditional" groups. Who sent them to us? Mr. Gibson asks this question over and over again, and the answer is clear. I don't go as far as he does, but I am not saying he is wrong. For example, Mr. Gibson believes canon 2261 does not apply to "traditional" priests. I think it does, but I also realize this is just my opinion, and he is not bound to it, as I am not bound to his interpretation on the canon. One will not find the specific answer in the canonists, as this matter has not been envisioned. We need an authoritative answer to this matter, but that obviously isn't going to happen anytime soon.
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Post by kim on Oct 3, 2017 16:12:21 GMT -5
So does he firmly believe the new consecrations and ordinations are valid? If not is he then a home aloner?
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Post by heinrich on Oct 3, 2017 17:54:21 GMT -5
My thumbs Up is a Thanks, Not that I agree.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 3, 2017 19:00:48 GMT -5
So does he firmly believe the new consecrations and ordinations are valid? If not is he then a home aloner? He only goes to priest who are sent by the Church. He does not go to others. He is not a home-aloner.
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Post by kim on Oct 3, 2017 21:45:43 GMT -5
Sspx then?
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 3, 2017 22:15:00 GMT -5
No, only priests sent by the Church, those ordained in the old days, who were given a lawful commission to use their orders by their diocesan bishop. He has been adamantly opposed, going back to the 1970's, to all traditionalist responses to this crisis (seminaries, bishops and priests with no commission, etc.) He is, and has been consistently against +Lefebvre and +Thuc's consecration of bishops, and the ordinations that derived from them or the bishops of their lineage.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Oct 3, 2017 22:18:28 GMT -5
No, only priests sent by the Church, those ordained in the old days, who were given a lawful commission to use their orders by their diocesan bishop. He has been adamantly opposed, going back to the 1970's, to all traditionalist responses to this crisis (seminaries, bishops and priests with no commission, etc.) He is, and has been consistently against +Lefebvre and +Thuc's consecration of bishops, and the ordinations that derived from them or the bishops of their lineage. What does he believe epikeia is for?
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Post by kim on Oct 3, 2017 23:59:03 GMT -5
How many priests like that are left? And does he go to the new mass if they are the celebrant?
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 4, 2017 10:41:28 GMT -5
No, only priests sent by the Church, those ordained in the old days, who were given a lawful commission to use their orders by their diocesan bishop. He has been adamantly opposed, going back to the 1970's, to all traditionalist responses to this crisis (seminaries, bishops and priests with no commission, etc.) He is, and has been consistently against +Lefebvre and +Thuc's consecration of bishops, and the ordinations that derived from them or the bishops of their lineage. What does he believe epikeia is for? He doesn't believe it applies here, and those who have claimed it for episcopal consecration and ordinations in this situation have wrongly invoked it.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 4, 2017 10:46:06 GMT -5
How many priests like that are left? And does he go to the new mass if they are the celebrant? There are some who still say the Roman rite, (not the Novus Ordo.). I know of a couple myself, one in Texas and one in Ohio. There might be others. He would never go to the Novus Ordo.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Oct 4, 2017 18:54:32 GMT -5
What does he believe epikeia is for? He doesn't believe it applies here, and those who have claimed it for episcopal consecration and ordinations in this situation have wrongly invoked it. When does he think it would apply... when a priest comes upon a car accident out of his jurisdiction?
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 4, 2017 23:04:39 GMT -5
He doesn't believe it applies here, and those who have claimed it for episcopal consecration and ordinations in this situation have wrongly invoked it. When does he think it would apply... when a priest comes upon a car accident out of his jurisdiction? It would be better to ask him, he's approachable. In the case you mentioned, presuming there is a danger of death, if the priest were to hear the injured person' confession, it is clear that this would be covered by supplied jurisdiction.
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