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Post by Pacelli on Sept 25, 2017 8:45:51 GMT -5
So if I understand correctly, if we had lawful pastors today (the Church being in order), to go to someone other than your parish priest or bishop would result in an invalid marriage. But since the Church is in the state it is, the same action today would be a valid marriage. Correct? Would they have sacramental Matrimony? Yes, exactly. The reason being that a young couple would have no expectation of being able to contact their lawful pastor or other local clergy for 0ne month. They are free to marry each other with only two witnesses and it would be valid and licit. It would however still remain a mortal sin to go to a Protestant or other sectarian, but as the source above states, even that would be valid under these circumstances.
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Post by samuelsede on Apr 27, 2022 1:47:28 GMT -5
If we trust the law of the Church, we realize that every traditionalist priest is a priest under censure. Pacelli what do you mean by this?
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 27, 2022 13:11:11 GMT -5
If we trust the law of the Church, we realize that every traditionalist priest is a priest under censure. Pacelli what do you mean by this? Hello Samuel, The 1917 Code is clear on this point, no dimissorial letters equals no licit ordination, which further means that the censure attached applies by operation of law. I am fully aware that there are those who will argue that the emergency allows for such ordinations and the canon no longer applies. I disagree. To say that there can be ordinations such as these due to the emergency is to say that the Church now functions under a new constitution, one for emergencies and one for ordinary times. The problem is that there is no Catholic teaching to support such a view. You will not find even a single approved Catholic source which states anything to the effect that in an an emergency that priests no longer need to be sent, that any unauthorized bishop can ordain and send forth priests to function with a mission in the Church. When such ordinations began in the 1970's all understood that such ordination of men would be done for a minimal role, to be sacramental priests only, but clearly that role grows over time, and Catholics begin to believe that such priests have a mission from the Church, and from what I can tell, the bishops and priests involved, at least generally speaking, do little to correct the laity on this matter. Some have even now pretended that traditional bishops can continue the apostolic succession! That's how far things have gotten. I just posted the relevant canon with commentary HERE
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