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Post by Pacelli on Jun 23, 2017 14:21:14 GMT -5
It is better that the truth is known, about traditionalism and how it developed, so people can be aware of the issues and make up their own minds to what extent they chose to involve themselves with it.
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Post by myrnam on Jun 23, 2017 15:05:39 GMT -5
Thank you Clotilde and Pacelli,, still trying to figure out not only how the forum works but the temperature of the forum, you see I did not lurk here at all, just found this place and registered, seeing it seemed kind to the sedevacantist position.
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Post by Clotilde on Jun 23, 2017 15:11:14 GMT -5
Thank you Clotilde and Pacelli,, still trying to figure out not only how the forum works but the temperature of the forum, you see I did not lurk here at all, just found this place and registered, seeing it seemed kind to the sedevacantist position. We have a good mix of people interested in the scholarly aspect of things and others for a social aspect. Some for a blend. There is a thread somewhere which might give you a layout but we are definitely a sedevacantist-friendly forum, although I would just say friendly in general.
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Post by Pacelli on Jun 23, 2017 15:14:09 GMT -5
Thank you Clotilde and Pacelli,, still trying to figure out not only how the forum works but the temperature of the forum, you see I did not lurk here at all, just found this place and registered, seeing it seemed kind to the sedevacantist position. Yes, it is sedevacantist friendly, although not required. Traditionalist/Sedevacantist groups are not supported on here, but people affiliated with groups are certainly welcomed. The only group that is openly supported on this forum is the Catholic Church itself. On this forum no one is CMRI, SSPX, SSPV, Independent, or whatever else exists these days, we are Catholics.
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Post by kim on Jun 26, 2017 7:29:49 GMT -5
Father Cekada has perhaps been misled when he wrote whatever about +Thuc no one knows exactly about such recklessness, and Bishop Pivarunas has proven by his good fruits that he is of God. I have heard otherwise regarding Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc directly from Father Francis Miller. OFM during a Fatima Conference at Mt. St. Michael, a priest that had direct contact with the good Archbishop. Father Miller's words have been recorded and the tapes are available through the center there at the Mount. I recommend people of good will should hear it directly from the man who was with +Thuc you just might have a change of heart as Father Cekada. God works in ways sometimes we don't understand, nor do we see the entire picture, this mandate is more than just a coincident. I have met with Fr. Francis Miller and listened to his story of the conciliarists who drugged him (Fr. Miller) and fed sugar to Thuc and then kidnapped him. This all happened when Fr. Miller was a young seminarian working as caregiver for Archbishop Thuc. He won't talk about it and refers anyone who asks to the talk he gave on it. He clearly still has a kind of PTSD from the whole experience. Thuc was a terrible embarrassment to the Viet Namese-American 'Catholic' community and it was absolutely shocking what they did to end his connection to the sedevacantists.
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Post by myrnam on Jun 26, 2017 8:07:26 GMT -5
Oh, the lies the enemies of God has spread about +Thuc how I wish God would quickly intervene and squash the devil along with this Catholic church crisis.
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Post by camillusdelellis on Jul 18, 2017 14:08:20 GMT -5
Father Cekada has perhaps been misled when he wrote whatever about +Thuc no one knows exactly about such recklessness, and Bishop Pivarunas has proven by his good fruits that he is of God. I have heard otherwise regarding Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc directly from Father Francis Miller. OFM during a Fatima Conference at Mt. St. Michael, a priest that had direct contact with the good Archbishop. Father Miller's words have been recorded and the tapes are available through the center there at the Mount. I recommend people of good will should hear it directly from the man who was with +Thuc you just might have a change of heart as Father Cekada. God works in ways sometimes we don't understand, nor do we see the entire picture, this mandate is more than just a coincident. While I would love for everyone here to buy copies of the Fatima Confrences from the Mount, I know they won't. Still the talk on Archbishop Thuc is exelent and should be heard by all Traditional Catholics, so here is the tiny URL for his talk: tinyurl.com/ydh9nlcwIt was given in 2014.
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Post by Clotilde on Jul 18, 2017 22:11:11 GMT -5
Father Cekada has perhaps been misled when he wrote whatever about +Thuc no one knows exactly about such recklessness, and Bishop Pivarunas has proven by his good fruits that he is of God. I have heard otherwise regarding Archbishop Ngo Dinh Thuc directly from Father Francis Miller. OFM during a Fatima Conference at Mt. St. Michael, a priest that had direct contact with the good Archbishop. Father Miller's words have been recorded and the tapes are available through the center there at the Mount. I recommend people of good will should hear it directly from the man who was with +Thuc you just might have a change of heart as Father Cekada. God works in ways sometimes we don't understand, nor do we see the entire picture, this mandate is more than just a coincident. While I would love for everyone here to buy copies of the Fatima Confrences from the Mount, I know they won't. Still the talk on Archbishop Thuc is exelent and should be heard by all Traditional Catholics, so here is the tiny URL for his talk: tinyurl.com/ydh9nlcwIt was given in 2014. It is really good. In case you misunderstood the topic at hand because it sort of spans across many threads, what we are discussing and noting here is Fr. Cekada's shift in thinking about such matters, not specifically Thuc, but traditionalism in general, since the 80s. I hope Pacelli doesn't mind me saying but neither of us are questioning the CMRI's orders in terms of validity. I re-read this thread and realized it could look that way.
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Post by kim on Jul 19, 2017 7:26:42 GMT -5
While I would love for everyone here to buy copies of the Fatima Confrences from the Mount, I know they won't. Still the talk on Archbishop Thuc is exelent and should be heard by all Traditional Catholics, so here is the tiny URL for his talk: tinyurl.com/ydh9nlcwIt was given in 2014. It is really good. In case you misunderstood the topic at hand because it sort of spans across many threads, what we are discussing and noting here is Fr. Cekada's shift in thinking about such matters, not specifically Thuc, but traditionalism in general, since the 80s. I hope Pacelli doesn't mind me saying but neither of us are questioning the CMRI's orders in terms of validity. I re-read this thread and realized it could look that way. Yes it did look as if the validity of some traditional priests and bishops was being questioned. It almost made me wonder if Inshould continue posting here. Thanks for posting Fr.Francis Miller's talk on the kidnapping of Archbishop Thuc by VietNamese American Novus Ordo officials. I listened to it a long time ago and listened to it again yesterday. I met Father in Seattle when I played organ for a Mass for a sister taking her vows. Regarding wreckless consecrations---well Thuc wasn't perfect and the Palmarian Catholic consecrations weren't a great idea in hindsight. I'm sure he regretted it but it's just the way it is. Nowadays sedevacantist bishops are much more careful knowing the mistakes that have been made in the past.
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Post by Clotilde on Jul 19, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -5
It is really good. In case you misunderstood the topic at hand because it sort of spans across many threads, what we are discussing and noting here is Fr. Cekada's shift in thinking about such matters, not specifically Thuc, but traditionalism in general, since the 80s. I hope Pacelli doesn't mind me saying but neither of us are questioning the CMRI's orders in terms of validity. I re-read this thread and realized it could look that way. Yes it did look as if the validity of some traditional priests and bishops was being questioned. It almost made me wonder if Inshould continue posting here. Thanks for posting Fr.Francis Miller's talk on the kidnapping of Archbishop Thuc by VietNamese American Novus Ordo officials. I listened to it a long time ago and listened to it again yesterday. I met Father in Seattle when I played organ for a Mass for a sister taking her vows. Regarding wreckless consecrations---well Thuc wasn't perfect and the Palmarian Catholic consecrations weren't a great idea in hindsight. I'm sure he regretted it but it's just the way it is. Nowadays sedevacantist bishops are much more careful knowing the mistakes that have been made in the past. There are some serious validity issues with some traditionalists, they are generally not well-known individuals, but there are quite a few with dubious lines out there. It is really hard to hear any criticism or even anything we might construe as a criticism about anyone we like or admire. I had to face a lot of hard truths even after I "tradverted." If we do not talk about our concerns or wrongs we see, warts and all, how are we being truthful with others or ourselves? Don't let that turn you off, people need to make sense of this stuff and examine their own thoughts and conclusions so they can stay on the correct path in these times.
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Post by Lynne on Jul 22, 2017 5:58:10 GMT -5
My agenda is a forum where faithful Catholics can discourse in peace and trust. No games no deliberate drama...no sectarianism or this group that group...etc etc. I want a community with civility. Thanks, Voxx. I have noticed this already, and I must say I am very edifice by it. In fact, it is because of my minimal experience here that I have decided to terminate my activity on SD, as soon as I wrap up the debate I'm involved in there. I get a feeling of peace here; I feel nothing but discord there. Agreed.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Mar 7, 2019 12:13:49 GMT -5
This is from the article I posted in the resourse library and I didn't want Fr. Cekada's excellent and thought-provoking conclusion to be missed, so I am posting it here: Pacelli can we fix this old link? cant find the article it refers to.
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Post by Pacelli on Mar 7, 2019 17:56:57 GMT -5
This is from the article I posted in the resourse library and I didn't want Fr. Cekada's excellent and thought-provoking conclusion to be missed, so I am posting it here: Pacelli can we fix this old link? cant find the article it refers to. Fixed. The full article is in the resourse section linked HERE
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Mar 8, 2019 12:46:46 GMT -5
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