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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 15, 2016 21:52:23 GMT -5
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 15, 2016 21:56:21 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 15:45:53 GMT -5
When I was attending the Novus Ordo in the 1980's and 90's and going to young Novus Ordo Priests for confession and counseling, I was constantly being referred to "Pastoral Counselors" or "Therapists". I even had one Novus Ordo Priest suggest that I try anti-depressants. What my soul was seeking was absolution which I was never able to obtain with the young Novus Ordo Priests. It wasn't until 2 yrs ago that I found out that I needed to find a pre-Vatican II Priest and go to confession. When I did that, I finally found the power of the Priesthood and a REAL absolution!!
What people today are seeking they aren't going to find in a "happy pill", or a "therapist". A good confession with a valid Priest is what the soul needs.
Today's society and the Vatican II false religion pushes "pills, "therapists", and anything goes, but the truth.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 19, 2016 8:38:14 GMT -5
When I was attending the Novus Ordo in the 1980's and 90's and going to young Novus Ordo Priests for confession and counseling, I was constantly being referred to "Pastoral Counselors" or "Therapists". I even had one Novus Ordo Priest suggest that I try anti-depressants. What my soul was seeking was absolution which I was never able to obtain with the young Novus Ordo Priests. It wasn't until 2 yrs ago that I found out that I needed to find a pre-Vatican II Priest and go to confession. When I did that, I finally found the power of the Priesthood and a REAL absolution!! What people today are seeking they aren't going to find in a "happy pill", or a "therapist". A good confession with a valid Priest is what the soul needs. Today's society and the Vatican II false religion pushes "pills, "therapists", and anything goes, but the truth. I agree. So many people have guilt from sin and what they need is a good confession. Another reason for the widespread (epidemic) use of psychiatric drugs is poor parenting--no external control means no internal control, so children are not learning to control their actions and outbursts, therefore, they get put on a pill for behavior problems. I feel the last reason is little or very weak faith in God; lack of knowledge of the fruitfulness of suffering on this earth combined with no trust in God's Will, therefore, the anxiety and depression so many of these people have. It is interesting how many of the elderly are on them. Perhaps their approaching meeting with their Maker has them worried?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2016 15:21:20 GMT -5
When I was attending the Novus Ordo in the 1980's and 90's and going to young Novus Ordo Priests for confession and counseling, I was constantly being referred to "Pastoral Counselors" or "Therapists". I even had one Novus Ordo Priest suggest that I try anti-depressants. What my soul was seeking was absolution which I was never able to obtain with the young Novus Ordo Priests. It wasn't until 2 yrs ago that I found out that I needed to find a pre-Vatican II Priest and go to confession. When I did that, I finally found the power of the Priesthood and a REAL absolution!! What people today are seeking they aren't going to find in a "happy pill", or a "therapist". A good confession with a valid Priest is what the soul needs. Today's society and the Vatican II false religion pushes "pills, "therapists", and anything goes, but the truth. I agree. So many people have guilt from sin and what they need is a good confession. Another reason for the widespread (epidemic) use of psychiatric drugs is poor parenting--no external control means no internal control, so children are not learning to control their actions and outbursts, therefore, they get put on a pill for behavior problems. I feel the last reason is little or very weak faith in God; lack of knowledge of the fruitfulness of suffering on this earth combined with no trust in God's Will, therefore, the anxiety and depression so many of these people have. It is interesting how many of the elderly are on them. Perhaps their approaching meeting with their Maker has them worried? What these psychiatrists do to the young people besides prescribing them drugs is indoctrinate and brainwash them into humanism.
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Post by chestertonian on Dec 27, 2016 22:50:19 GMT -5
I wish I could take some sort of medicine for my depression and ptsd but between interaction with other meds im on, and contraindications for cardiac rhythms and the fact that I can't take oral medications, they are not for me. My wife takes medication for bipolar and they allow her to havea productive stable life and be a good wife and mom in addition to mass and confession .
Being Catholic going to confession and talking to a priest hasn't done a darm thing to reduce depressive symptoms at least for me. our Lord doesn't promise happiness in this life. He does not always will to heal us of every mental and physical illness we suffer in this life. but if modern medicine offered a treatment for me you'd better believe I'd take it just as I'd take a treatment for my physical issues if it existed.
I see no more stigma in seeing a psychotherapist (which I do) than going to occupational therapy or physical therapy (which I also do)
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 28, 2016 9:51:37 GMT -5
Problem is Chester to find a psychotherepist who isnt an anticatholic or atheist or who see religion as good. I would go if I could find one that incorporates my faith in the treatment.
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Post by chestertonian on Dec 28, 2016 13:56:05 GMT -5
Problem is Chester to find a psychotherepist who isnt an anticatholic or atheist or who see religion as good. I would go if I could find one that incorporates my faith in the treatment. Yes, that is something to watch out for. There are a lot of bad clinicians out there. The guy I talk to is a conservative evangelical and very respectful of my beliefs
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 29, 2016 23:09:24 GMT -5
The fact is there is no chemical imbalance in the brain before the use of psychiatric meds. See also here. And then once you are on them it is very difficult to get off. You need a very conscientious doctor who will help you wean from them as the withdrawl can be horrible and dangerous. The actual meds do no better than placebos and have side effects. And finally, before the widespread prescribing of these drugs people with depression were rarely violent. I think you are very lucky to not be on them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 16:22:57 GMT -5
There are different reasons and causes for depression. Sometimes medications for physical illnesses such as high blood pressure, etc. have side effects listed as "depression". If it is a medication for a physical illness that is causing the depression, switching to a different medication for the illness can help. Sometimes if we are taking medications for two or more physical illnesses, the interactions between the medications can cause depression as a side effect between them.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 30, 2016 18:12:35 GMT -5
Ive never heard a satisfactory definition of depression....it seems to be a catch-all word for many different states.
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Post by chestertonian on Dec 30, 2016 21:18:21 GMT -5
People with depression including those who take psychiatric drugs are still rarely violent for goodness sakes. Also I don't think I'm lucky to be severely depressed with no treatment available
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 30, 2016 22:47:03 GMT -5
Ive never heard a satisfactory definition of depression....it seems to be a catch-all word for many different states. It's so foggy. I was told my aunt suffers from depression. I first said, "What's she sad about?" They said, "She's not depressed, but she has depression." Come to find out she was feeling tired and they said it was depression.
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 30, 2016 23:09:08 GMT -5
People with depression including those who take psychiatric drugs are still rarely violent for goodness sakes. Also I don't think I'm lucky to be severely depressed with no treatment available People on psychiatric drugs have higher violence rates than the normal population either against themselves or others. And now one in six Americans is on one. Study finds young people on antidepressants more prone to violenceThere are other treatments besides meds, thankfully.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 31, 2016 8:24:59 GMT -5
Id be happy if I could just find a solid Priest willing to talk to me about my problems...other than a few minutes in the confessional...my priests dont seem to have time or the sensetivity.
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