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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 11, 2016 7:10:51 GMT -5
When receiving Communion in the Ukranian Church do you make the sign of the cross? As your in the reciving line...I kiss the icon on the tetrapod (small table in front center of aisle) cross myself then recieve. As you go up you should say your first name audabley for the priest if he doesnt know it. He should mention your name in his chalice prayer ( this is just a bonus NOT A REQUIREMENT).
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 14, 2016 8:53:43 GMT -5
Voxx,
How are the penitential days different in the Ukranian Catholic Rite? Today's an Ember Day for us. What are your fast or abstinence days?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 14, 2016 9:28:04 GMT -5
I dont know from memory...I use the Calander...
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Post by Marya Dabrowski on Dec 14, 2016 11:21:25 GMT -5
I looked a little online. It's confusing!
This seemed like the best advice!
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 14, 2016 12:08:23 GMT -5
Trad Roman rite is more rigid...I admit it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 18:09:16 GMT -5
Out of curiosity I checked out an Eastern Rite Ruthenian Church in my area on the internet as a back up in case things don't go well at the Ukranian Church I plan on attending.
Interestingly, I found out that the Priest was ordained in the Roman Rite. He was with the Roman Rite for 17 yrs and then went to the Melikte Church for 5 yrs and has been with the Ruthenian Church for 33 yrs. He was 55 yrs old in 1994 according to a local newspaper article. I'm trying to determine if his Roman Rite ordination was valid. Any help would be appreciated.
Ironically, the Priest is Irish!!!
(Note: The "like" was a slip of the thumb during editing and don't know how to delete it).
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Dec 14, 2016 18:56:48 GMT -5
Just push the thumb again
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:03:41 GMT -5
Just push the thumb again Thanks!!
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Post by Pacelli on Dec 14, 2016 19:17:51 GMT -5
Out of curiosity I checked out an Eastern Rite Ruthenian Church in my area on the internet as a back up in case things don't go well at the Ukranian Church I plan on attending. Interestingly, I found out that the Priest was ordained in the Roman Rite. He was with the Roman Rite for 17 yrs and then went to the Melikte Church for 5 yrs and has been with the Ruthenian Church for 33 yrs. He was 55 yrs old in 1994 according to a local newspaper article. I'm trying to determine if his Roman Rite ordination was valid. Any help would be appreciated. Ironically, the Priest is Irish!!! (Note: The "like" was a slip of the thumb during editing and don't know how to delete it). If you want, PM me with his name, and I will try to figure I think out. Any information you give me will give me will of course remain confidential.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 16:19:39 GMT -5
Regarding the Eastern Rite Priest with a Roman Rite ordination, I have subsequently learned that he assists at various Novus Ordo Masses in the area. If he is a valid Roman Rite Priest would his assisting at Novus Ordo Masses preclude attending his Eastern Rite Liturgy?
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Post by Pacelli on Dec 16, 2016 13:51:09 GMT -5
Regarding the Eastern Rite Priest with a Roman Rite ordination, I have subsequently learned that he assists at various Novus Ordo Masses in the area. If he is a valid Roman Rite Priest would his assisting at Novus Ordo Masses preclude attending his Eastern Rite Liturgy? The short answer is no, it's his ordination that matters, but the fact that he says the Novus Ordo would make me more concerned of him as far as his orthodoxy. If he is a heretic or a liberal, then other considerations come into play, but I am just answering the strict question of validity.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 15:35:04 GMT -5
Regarding the Eastern Rite Priest with a Roman Rite ordination, I have subsequently learned that he assists at various Novus Ordo Masses in the area. If he is a valid Roman Rite Priest would his assisting at Novus Ordo Masses preclude attending his Eastern Rite Liturgy? The short answer is no, it's his ordination that matters, but the fact that he says the Novus Ordo would make me more concerned of him as far as his orthodoxy. If he is a heretic or a liberal, then other considerations come into play, but I am just answering the strict question of validity. Pacelli - Since the word "heretic" is bandied about so much among "Traditionalists", I find that the meaning gets lost in translation as it seems to mean different things to different people. Would you mind defining and clarifying the term "heretic"? Thanks.
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Post by Pacelli on Dec 16, 2016 16:21:38 GMT -5
The short answer is no, it's his ordination that matters, but the fact that he says the Novus Ordo would make me more concerned of him as far as his orthodoxy. If he is a heretic or a liberal, then other considerations come into play, but I am just answering the strict question of validity. Pacelli - Since the word "heretic" is bandied about so much among "Traditionalists", I find that the meaning gets lost in translation as it seems to mean different things to different people. Would you mind defining and clarifying the term "heretic"? Thanks. I agree, the term has become vague in today's usage, but the theologians and canonists had very specific and defineable meanings for the term. When I use the term, I am only using it in the approved usage. Since it goes beyond this thread, I will post some definitions in the library, and link them here.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 20:25:56 GMT -5
Pacelli - Since the word "heretic" is bandied about so much among "Traditionalists", I find that the meaning gets lost in translation as it seems to mean different things to different people. Would you mind defining and clarifying the term "heretic"? Thanks. I agree, the term has become vague in today's usage, but the theologians and canonists had very specific and defineable meanings for the term. When I use the term, I am only using it in the approved usage. Since it goes beyond this thread, I will post some definitions in the library, and link them here. Pacelli - Thanks and look forward to the post.
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Post by Pacelli on Dec 19, 2016 18:12:52 GMT -5
Veronica, Sorry for the delay, I've been very busy, the definition of heresy is posted here: tradcath.proboards.com/thread/530/definition-heresy?page=1&scrollTo=4586There are many points and nuances about heresy beyond this basic definition, but it is a start, to grasp what a heretic actually is. The Code of Canon Law and the theologians are clear on what a heretic is, and how to become one. If someone does not meet the definition on all three points, he is not a heretic.
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