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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 17, 2018 3:09:24 GMT -5
Published on May 2, 2011 Declaration of an excommunication upon Pope Benedict XVI and John Paul II The Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate by authority of the apostolic and prophetic office in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ obliges before God all Catholics in conscience and promulgates: 1) Beatification of the deceased Pope John Paul II is invalid. 2) The deceased Pope John Paul II (Gal 1:8-9) excommunicated himself from the Church of Christ. The reason was his apostatical gesture in Assisi by which he opened the Church to the spirit of antichrist. 3) By beatification of the spirit of Assisi -- the spirit of antichrist -- Pope Benedict XVI likewise excommunicated himself from the Church of Christ. 2) The deceased Pope John Paul II (Gal 1:8-9) excommunicated himself from the Church of Christ. The reason was his apostatical gesture in Assisi by which he opened the Church to the spirit of antichrist. 3) By beatification of the spirit of Assisi -- the spirit of antichrist -- Pope Benedict XVI likewise excommunicated himself from the Church of Christ. The consequences of the papal apostasy: As from 1st May 2011, the Church is in a sedes vacantis state. Every priest is now obliged to dissociate himself from the spirit of Assisi before the faithful. He must no longer mention the name of the apostate Benedict XVI or of the apostate bishop in the Liturgy. If he remains in unity with the spirit of apostasy, then, as an apostate, he celebrates the Liturgy invalidly. The Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate is now commissioned by God to protect the orthodox doctrine of the Catholic Church, including the Latin Church. Only after an orthodox Catholic hierarchy and an orthodox successor to the Papacy is elected, will the Patriarchate be relieved of this God-given duty. Christ is risen! He is risen indeed! + Elijah Patriarch + Methodius OSBMr + Timothy OSBMr Secretaries of the Byzantine Catholic Patriarchate
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 17, 2018 5:50:30 GMT -5
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Post by wenceslav on Oct 17, 2018 12:29:38 GMT -5
I personally knew one of the consecrated “Bishops” when he was a Basilian priest in the Church of St. Clement in Prague. Although back then, ~ 17 years ago, he was relatively conservative and open to the Trad. movement (and even sedevacantism when I discussed it with him and his brother), but he became infatuated with the false apparitions of Medzugorije.
Also, their proof of consecration by an “underground” Bishop is sketchy at best. They have even resorted to venerating Jan Hus as a saint whose opposition to a “bad” Pope is something this group thinks they are emulating in their relationship with the Post-Counciliar Nopes. Note that Jan Hus was a notorious heretic condemned by the Church and later promoted by the Communist party in the 20th century.
My opinion is to stay away. If you have further questions, I will try to elaborate.
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Post by mithrandylan on Oct 17, 2018 15:34:22 GMT -5
Have known about these guys for a bit. They have good production value on their videos.
Aside from that, they are just as, if not more, extralegal than Latin-rite traditionalist clergy. Perhaps even worse; I've struggled myself to confirm the consecration (never mind appointment) of Patriarch Elijah.
They do seem to say all the right things, which is always nice.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 17, 2018 16:16:27 GMT -5
Yeah Ive never heard of these folks...I just found it very refreshing. If you think I should remove this folks let me know. The Hus thing is disturbing...what is it they say about if something is too good to be true, it aint.
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Post by Pacelli on Oct 17, 2018 17:25:50 GMT -5
Wenceslav brings up a good point about the orders of Elijah, and also the veneration of Jan Hus which is concerning if true.
Here are my concerns with Elijah and this group:
1. The Wikipedia article on the group states that he was ordained in 1972, and switched rites in 1991. The first thing that would need to be verified is that he was ordained in the approved Catholic rite, not the Paul VI rite, which was in force at that time, since June, 1968. It’s possible, maybe even probable that he was ordained in the old rite, as the new books may not have found there way yet into communist controlled lands, but I would want to see proof of that.
2. The next problem is that his consecrator is not known. I would have nothing to do with him on this ground also, unless verification can be produced that he was consecrated by a Catholic Bishop.
3. I also find it concerning that he was consecrated as an “archbishop,” in 2009, at least according to the article. Was it a mistake in the article? If it is true, then this would demonstrate that he had claimed an office, not just a status as a wandering traditional bishop. If he claimed an office, he must substantiate such claims and I see no evidence for that.
4. Who is Michael Osidach, the man who appointed Elijah as Patriarch? The Wikipedia states:
Where is the proof for these asssrtions? I don’t see any.
5. What is the basis of his claim to the office of Patriarch? His claim must be proven, not just asserted.
6. The Wikipedia article states,
The power to,excommunicate presumes an office, but that claim has not been aubstatitaied. Also, the power to excommunicate others outside of one’s jurisdiction can not be done. Only the Pope has the power to excommunicate anyone in the Church. Even presuming that Elijah and his bishops had an office, they would have no power to excommunicate those not under their jurisdiction, Any attempt to do this would be a usurpation of the power of the Pope.
I would have nothing to do with Elijah or this organization. The enemy of your enemy is not always your friend.
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Post by wenceslav on Oct 17, 2018 22:43:05 GMT -5
It’s been a while since I looked at their website but their infatuation and love of the arch-heretic Hus has consummated in a “ canonization” of Hus by “Patriarch” Dohnal. See their video below: . I used to know Fr. Methodius Spirik now a “Bishop” for the group. I remember him as a solid and good priest. I am really sorry he ended up in this mess. Please pray for his conversion.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 18, 2018 8:28:25 GMT -5
I will leave this thread as a warning then....change title
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Oct 18, 2018 8:30:51 GMT -5
Thanks for checking in BTW Wenslav..
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Post by Madiridsmus on Jul 25, 2021 23:00:43 GMT -5
Anyone know if there are valid Catholic bishops in the Eastern Church who follow the traditions of the Catholic Church and reject Modernism and also have declared the fact of Sede Vacante in Rome, etc.?
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Post by Pacelli on Jul 26, 2021 8:12:20 GMT -5
Anyone know if there are valid Catholic bishops in the Eastern Church who follow the traditions of the Catholic Church and reject Modernism and also have declared the fact of Sede Vacante in Rome, etc.? Your question has many parts, I will take them separately: 1. Almost all bishops in the eastern rites are valid. There are a few who are questionable due to apparently being ordained in the Paul VI rite by the "Pope." 2. The eastern rites are Traditional Catholic rites, so the fact that they use these rites makes them de facto traditional in their sacramental rites. There are some innovators in the east, so it's not always and everywhere in their churches going to be Traditional. One example of this is that modernist eastern priests, like their Novus Ordo counterparts, use altar girls. 3. I know of no eastern rite bishop who has made a statement against the current papal claimants, or their errors, or who have a made a public statement against modernism. 4. No eastern rite Patriarch or bishop has declared a state of sedevacante.
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Post by Catholicagainst BKP on Nov 17, 2022 8:13:25 GMT -5
Elijah from BKP is a manifest heretic. There many false positions held by BKP.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Nov 17, 2022 9:20:28 GMT -5
Elijah from BKP is a manifest heretic. There many false positions held by BKP. please by all means share what you know
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2022 15:23:07 GMT -5
Please change the title of this thread, it got my hopes up for minute.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Nov 18, 2022 9:56:57 GMT -5
lol...resolution didnt you see the quotes around "byzantine patriarch"?
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