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Post by Pacelli on Mar 29, 2018 12:28:59 GMT -5
I have moved this thread here, so as to make it more easily accessible for Catholics who need this information. I will be starting new similar threads on this subforum with information on other traditional bishops as well, so Catholics can make a well informed decision as to whether they want to request the sacraments from these men.
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Post by semperfidelis on Apr 11, 2018 12:21:04 GMT -5
Thank you Caillin. This statement is very serious, and in my opinion raises issues beyond the Palma de Troya consecrations. There is now no doubt that the Angelus quote is accurate, the next step would be to obtain the letter from Thuc where he made this assertion, in order to verify it. I believe the Angelus misrepresented the meaning of what Archbishop Thuc said about doing the consecrations. This is the letter I tracked downed which seems to be what they are referring to. I don't think there is any reason to believe Archbishop Thuc withheld his intention in the Palmar consecrations. Lucidity in this case, to me, means without full knowledge of the surround circumstances and without knowing Clemente's doings or intentions. James www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=5&artikel_id=2138&searchkey=CumDeclaration about Palmar I testify to have done the ordinations of Palmar in complete lucidity. I don't have any more relations with Palmar after their chief nominated himself Pope. I disapprove all what they are doing. The declaration of Paul VI has been made without me; I heard of it only afterwards. Given the 19. XII. 1981 at Toulon in complete possession of all my faculties. (sig. Pierre Martin Ngô-dinh-Thuc Archév. Titulaire de Bulla Regia
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Post by Pacelli on Apr 11, 2018 13:00:17 GMT -5
Thank you Caillin. This statement is very serious, and in my opinion raises issues beyond the Palma de Troya consecrations. There is now no doubt that the Angelus quote is accurate, the next step would be to obtain the letter from Thuc where he made this assertion, in order to verify it. I believe the Angelus misrepresented the meaning of what Archbishop Thuc said about doing the consecrations. This is the letter I tracked downed which seems to be what they are referring to. I don't think there is any reason to believe Archbishop Thuc withheld his intention in the Palmar consecrations. Lucidity in this case, to me, means without full knowledge of the surround circumstances and without knowing Clemente's doings or intentions. James www.einsicht-aktuell.de/index.php?svar=5&artikel_id=2138&searchkey=CumDeclaration about Palmar I testify to have done the ordinations of Palmar in complete lucidity. I don't have any more relations with Palmar after their chief nominated himself Pope. I disapprove all what they are doing. The declaration of Paul VI has been made without me; I heard of it only afterwards. Given the 19. XII. 1981 at Toulon in complete possession of all my faculties. (sig. Pierre Martin Ngô-dinh-Thuc Archév. Titulaire de Bulla Regia Fr. Byman also quoted this letter in his article about Archbishop Thuc LinkIf this is indeed the letter being used as the source by the Angelus, then it is definitely a misrepresentation at best. But, I am not sure this is the letter the Angelus is referring to, as the Angelus article stated: The Palma consecrations were done in 1976, this letter by +Thuc was published in 1982, which was six years later. I don’t think that fits with being “soon after,” unless the term is being used very liberally. The second point is that the Angelus article states that +Thuc wrote “the ‘orders’ he had conferred were null and void because he had withheld all intention of conveying orders to the Palmar de Troya sect.” I don’t see how that statement can any way be reconciled with the 1982 letter. If the Angelus is basing this assertion on the 1982 letter, calling it a misreprentation is being very mild, it’s not even close to what he wrote in 1982. The 1982 letter and the undated and unsourced alleged letter used as a source by the Angelus conflict with each other.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Aug 9, 2021 21:08:12 GMT -5
Fr. Mark Ndrejaj Ordained a priest by: +Neal Webster I know this is an old thread...but I had a particularly nasty back and forth with this so called Fr Ndrejaj...on FB..it was over whether EMJones was a " crypto" jew. Now that issue wasnt where the problem was...but immedietly after I stated I didnt see that in EMJ...he said " you dont want to see it"...well that was rather insulting I thought in that Ive personal interactions with DrJones...and I simply wasn't convinced...eventually he ended up telling me to go to hell...called me an ahole..( yes of course I did my own jabbing...but I didnt realize he was a priest till he said so) his behavior was not even close to Catholic let alone Priest. When I pmed him he accused me of being a jew...lol.so..funny thing when I googled him TC came up on top search ( yeah I was proud btw) So a long way around...does anyone know this persons chapel?
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Post by RitaMarita on Aug 31, 2021 10:53:25 GMT -5
Fr. Mark Ndrejaj Ordained a priest by: +Neal Webster I know this is an old thread...but I had a particularly nasty back and forth with this so called Fr Ndrejaj...on FB..it was over whether EMJones was a " crypto" jew. Now that issue wasnt where the problem was...but immedietly after I stated I didnt see that in EMJ...he said " you dont want to see it"...well that was rather insulting I thought in that Ive personal interactions with DrJones...and I simply wasn't convinced...eventually he ended up telling me to go to hell...called me an ahole..( yes of course I did my own jabbing...but I didnt realize he was a priest till he said so) his behavior was not even close to Catholic let alone Priest. When I pmed him he accused me of being a jew...lol.so..funny thing when I googled him TC came up on top search ( yeah I was proud btw) So a long way around...does anyone know this persons chapel? Wow... What craziness... This is why a real church hierarchy is needed... To stem abuses. 😣
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Sept 1, 2021 8:10:46 GMT -5
Telling simeone to go to hell is very serious sin even for laity...let alone someone who says hes a priest
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Post by carloscamejo on Sept 3, 2021 20:20:32 GMT -5
Telling simeone to go to hell is very serious sin even for laity...let alone someone who says hes a priest The independent bishops sometimes ordain men who legitimately have no business being priests both morally and spiritually. You wouldn't let an unvetted crook pretend to be a doctor and get someone killed, the same should go for people's souls and their Faith.
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