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Post by Pacelli on Aug 16, 2017 12:52:23 GMT -5
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clare
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Post by clare on Aug 24, 2017 9:18:23 GMT -5
The thing that puts me off Yves Dupont's Prophecy book is that it says Nostradamus was an authentic seer. I'm sceptical of that, because Nostradamus got his prophecies by looking in a bowl of water, which seems to me like the sort of thing the Church would forbid. Basically, receiving prophecies is one thing, but looking for them is something else.
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Post by Pacelli on Aug 24, 2017 11:15:09 GMT -5
The thing that puts me off Yves Dupont's Prophecy book is that it says Nostradamus was an authentic seer. I'm sceptical of that, because Nostradamus got his prophecies by looking in a bowl of water, which seems to me like the sort of thing the Church would forbid. Basically, receiving prophecies is one thing, but looking for them is something else. Just skip the chapter on Nostradamus. I agree that Nostradamus and his prophesies are very controversial on many levels, with both defenders and critics. Your assertion that he "got his prophesies by looking in a bowl of water," is also controveted. There is so much to DuPont's work more than just the popular book, "Catholic Prophesy." Also, he didn't exclusively rely on Nostradamus, which is only a small fraction of his collection of prophesy. The bulk of his work was published in World Trends, a magazine that he published putting together countless years of research into prophesy. IMO, DuPont was trying to make sense of what he was witnessing in the Church during 60's and 70's, and believed that old prophecies gave us some answers. In some cases, the prophesies he found appear to hit the nail right on the head. Some of the prophesies he published in this chapter: tradcath.proboards.com/thread/1094/present-state-church-1970-dupont ,very strongly appear to be relevent to our times.
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Post by Pacelli on Aug 24, 2017 15:08:12 GMT -5
I just wanted to add another comment on this, fwiw. What happened in the 1960's in the Catholic Church cannot be minimized. It was huge! The Catholic Church despite all of its crises over two thousand years, never encountered a nearly catastrophic event of this magnitude in both its intensity and longevity.
Clearly, something of this magnitude which happened so fast and took the Catholic world so off guard, is also something that God would have given his flock some warning about. The history of the Old Testament shows that God warns His people before a chastisement. The same can be sad of the New Covenant, with countless mystics and prophets giving warnings throughout Church history.
I think Mr. DuPont was right in trying to look at prophesy as a help to understand what he was seeing. If prophesy is not valuable, then why would God give us this knowledge? I also say this knowing full well that such knowledge is not required, that no one must believe it, and it is very often open to interpretation. So obviously, we must be careful, never making prophecy or our interpretations of it, into doctrine.
It seems to me that we are living through a critical time in the Church, and this is where the prophesies are pointing. We are living through a time when the last remaining lawfully commissioned members of the hierarchy are seriously disoriented, that the Latin rite of the Church is using a rite of mass that is most likely invalid, that the holy orders and Conflirmation of the Latin rite are most likely invalid, that heresy and error are being taught by men who are commonly believed to be Popes and bishops.
If this is not a monumental and radical event in Church history, I could hardly guess what would be. Everything that Catholics once took for granted is for the most part gone. All authority has broken down, and Catholics are scattered and divided. Those of us who still believe the same identical Faith as the Catholics before this crisis are living the constant challenge of trying to make sense of what we see verse the theology of the Church which we must believe, while believing completely at the same time that absolutely nothing essential has changed in the Church, that it remains completley identical to the Church of every age despite the appearances making so many think otherwise.
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Post by pauljoseph on Feb 14, 2019 19:20:58 GMT -5
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Post by Voxxkowalski on Feb 15, 2019 17:24:32 GMT -5
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Post by michaelwilson on Feb 16, 2019 14:11:56 GMT -5
My exposure to Mr. Dupont was from his little monthly magazine "World Trends"; as Vox stated above Mr. DuPont was struggling to explain the Apostasy in Rome, and his expertise was Catholic prophecy, so that is the method and outlook of his writings. I am indebted to him because it was through World Trends that we were kept abreast of Msgr. Lefebvre and his apostolate in the early years of Econe. Thank You Mr. Dupont, May you rest in peace.
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Post by Pacelli on Feb 17, 2019 17:13:04 GMT -5
Thanks Voxx. I just re-uploaded the photos so it’s fixed now.
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