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Post by Laramie Hirsch on May 14, 2016 6:06:42 GMT -5
For the record you are not objective at all. I am. I dont know the Priests you refer to... I've just told you about them after I was asked to cite some examples. Meanwhile folks who go to the FssP have great affection and kindness to their society... Yes. Not talking about laity, though. Nor am I demonizing the FSSP. At my forum these inter trad group squabbles and out right sniping and clique behaviour will be squelched. This was a thread about Michael Voris. Heinrich is the one who has picked a tiny aside out of what I said, turning it into a high-level antagonistic exchange. The FSSP exists to pull people out of the SSPX. That's why they were made. It is vanity and a gross luxury to think there is any positive reason to "act as the heathen" as our Lord put it when the apostles jostled for worldly power over each other. It is not to be so amongst us. ?? Jostling for worldly power? Michael Voris and CMTV maintains an FSSP-styled resentment and aggression towards the Society. That's all. That's how he is. That's a fact. *Shrug. Tell you what. Your ham-fisted attitude here is non-conducive to discussion. I don't have the patience these days to either walk on eggshells for you, nor do I have the time to qualify everything I state. The rest of the timid online Catholic community can lightly tread in your shadow if they want. I've had enough experience with heavy-handed speech dictators like KK and Tracy--as well as the zombified mob-mentality groupthink that results from such disasters. I don't have the time to waste investing into a new community that will eventually kick me out again. R-selected rabbits always ostracize the K-selected wolf. It's inevitable. So I'll just leave the "in crowd" and return to the void, where I've grown accustomed. If you're asking me to shut off my intellect, then count me out. Discussion forums should be for discussing. Anything else is disgusting. Toodles.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 14, 2016 12:38:18 GMT -5
Well youve always come across to me as a self serving arse not a wolf..."hey look what I said in this forum....hey look what I said in that forum....aint I clever!"...bother smiley-rolleyes010 ...and its hardly hamfisted to be clear about where I stand in regards to these trad group hissyfits...further how is it the great Laramie hersch never bothered to start a forum of his own?...its free and even an imbecile rabbit like myself can do it.. .And I suppose the hearsch files will be updated once again how unjustly you were treated here Anyway TC is easy...if you cant hack it here then surely your the problem. Rather Voris like actually. Well you can delete your account if you want. Im not giving you the satisfaction of being the first ban here. Your account and membership are active. Toodles indeed.
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Post by heinrich on May 14, 2016 15:13:18 GMT -5
There is not much more I can add. There is no stated, primary and overarching objective of the FSSP to be aggressive towards the Society. You mentioned one non FSSP priest and two others who may or may not be antagonistic to the SSPX. Furthermore, it is in bad taste to put out priests by name on the Internet if they are not involved in any proven scandal/illegalities. As I mentioned earlier, and unlike you, I have experience and familiarity with the Fraternity. I have heard tolerance of the Society and criticisms. But, again, nowhere is it direct action policy to be antagonistic to the SSPX. Case closed.
Yes, LH, based on the evidence you supplied, Voris is suspect for sure.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 15, 2016 5:58:28 GMT -5
Let me explain something folks...I AM NOT SSPX...CMRI..FSSP...ETC ETC (if I left out your "group":so sorry) We are supposed to be CATHOLICS...I use TRAD Cath reluctantly because its a useful umbrella. I don't want group members coming here to make points and have turf wars. Please...Speak on the most amazing and incredibly blessed and immense event that ever happened to our wretched souls...WE WERE BAPTISED CATHOLIC...get it? In all the gin joints in all creation God Chose you and me to be saved...He brought us into His Ark with zero input on our part. The Icon of the Nativity used in my Rite shows the scene of Christ's birth in a cave ...outside St. Joseph sits dumbfounded and AMAZED at what is happening and has happened. Humble yourselves folks! Christ became a "worm and no man" for our sakes. Do you think this bovine excrement between solid Catholic people is anything but useless vanity? tradcath.proboards.com/thread/132/trad-catholic-groups-warned
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Post by heinrich on May 15, 2016 14:35:52 GMT -5
I trust the ethos of this forum. Thank you, Voxxboss.
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Post by Banned snake on May 9, 2017 22:07:03 GMT -5
Squables between SSPX & FSSP would be hysterical if it wasn't so tragic. Both of your organizations and ALL of your "priests/clergy" recognize the apostate Frankenstein as "pope" and ally themselves with his heretical clown show.
They also all recognize Vatican II as an authoritative council. Wake up and smell the schism and the heresy.
Its worse than watching an "orthodox" fighting with an "old Catholic"... who cares, you're both schismatic!
Even if they had valid orders, (they don't) FSSP definitely does not have valid orders and SSPX has highly questionable orders... so even if you weren't in union with the heretical clownshow "Novus Ordo" then you'd still be risking the SIN of sacrilege every time you go to "mass" by what is very likely a laymen in vestments and worshipping what is very likely BREAD.
Franko is NOT "pope" he's not even a valid priest. Vatican II was the beginning of a NEW SECT. All so-called "clergy" who propagate the errors of V2 in any way are members of this sect "Novus Ordo" and any who recognize the sect leader pretending to be "pope" as "Pope" are no longer Catholic. It's like being an Anglican, but worse.
Novus Bogus is plan A for the destruction of souls... SSPX is plan B, FSSP is to keep people arguing and from ever leaving plan A or plan B. Voris is another clown plant in the Novus Bogus parade to hell.
Separate yourself from the Novus Ordo, V2 and from the head clown heretic or cease to be Catholic.
That is all.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 9, 2017 22:11:32 GMT -5
Does your Priest have valid orders?
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Post by Banned snake on May 9, 2017 22:33:13 GMT -5
Does your Priest have valid orders? Do bears do their business in the woods? Orrrr... to use Vox terminology... do bovines excrete fertilizer?
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 10, 2017 4:40:22 GMT -5
Does your Priest have valid orders? Do bears do their business in the woods? Orrrr... to use Vox terminology... do bovines excrete fertilizer? Through which line?
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Post by Banned snake on May 10, 2017 23:08:40 GMT -5
The Roman Catholic line. No pseudo trad alphabet soup. Just a really old priest with valid succession and sacraments who has publicly and openly rejected the Novus Ordo SECT for many years and openly, publicly separated himself from ANY communion with them and publicly and openly condemns their heresies.
Not a long term solution, but it is a Catholic one.
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Post by Voxxkowalski on May 11, 2017 4:32:01 GMT -5
The Roman Catholic line. No pseudo trad alphabet soup. Just a really old priest with valid succession and sacraments who has publicly and openly rejected the Novus Ordo SECT for many years and openly, publicly separated himself from ANY communion with them and publicly and openly condemns their heresies. Not a long term solution, but it is a Catholic one. First straight but incomplete answer...and with that we say goodbye to MichealS
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